Arian Foster Let It Be Known That He Is A Non-Believer

[blastercombo]

He wanted to debate science but didn't know science. He wanted to debate history but didn't know history.

Da pattern

 

[HEATHEN]

I'm confused, wth does atheism have to do with socialism? Conservative Christians like to paint atheism as being Un-Godly....wasn't Jesus Christ essentially a socialist?  

Word, Jesus was definitely not no capitalist.

 

[HEATHEN]

Dude won't get off the communism thing no matter how little sense it makes. He's mad desperate, like please let us have just one, JUST ONE.

 

[HEATHEN]

Funny thing is, dude himself knows deep down atheists, really just most people in general, do good for the general good, of everyone in society.


Being a good person just makes life more worthwhile.


Not killing yourself when you're terminally hurt or ill just gives you a chance to live another day. Is that not in itself worth it?


Forget society's wrath, how about your own wrath. How about if I do wrong I myself feel pain, I myself feel guilty. If I hurt someone I love it follows me, if I hurt my fellow man, that follows me. I sincerely feel bad, I sincerely feel remorse, I sincerely, innately, feel empathy.


It's not because I need some sort of incentive.


If I see a homeless man, my heart wrenches not because I was told to feel bad. I feel bad because I can EMPATHIZE, I can imagine how hard his day to day is. I can imagine the loneliness. I can imagine the pain.


When I donate clothes or money, it's not for any incentive other than bettering the life of another person. Not because I have to give tithes, or zakah.


We are all accountable to each other, as members of society. Not just ourselves. Respecting one another, loving one another, coexisting with one another, all make our limited time here more worthwhile.


And you KNOW THAT. That's why your line of questioning is condescending and loaded. To insinuate otherwise is insulting. If YOU need some sort of theology for you to know how to behave as a human being then that's YOUR MALFUNCTION.

 

[mister friendly]

Those questions are not meant to be loaded or condescending by any stretch.

The exhibit A about atheists killing themselves was a fair question, if the person is in pain especially in a terminal case, why not end the suffering? I know reasons why a believer would want not commit suicide, because most religions are against it as far as I know. The atheist really only has himself to answer.

Exhibit B and C back into each other and they are fair questions. The atheist only has to answer to himself and the punishable laws of society. Morals are relative.relative. Theres no absolute morals. The question remains, who is the atheist having morals for? Society? Do they fear societies "wrath" of shame?

Exhibt D is fair question too. What is good or bad? Is there an absolute right or wrong? As atheist aren't you really only accountable to yourself?

"Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific Socialism."

Those are Lenin's own words. The father of Communism.

Of course not every Communist agrees with Marx, just as not every Believers agrees with the zealous sects of their religion.

But if some people want act like some=all. we can pull the card with other beliefs and ideologies too.

The father of modern communism was Karl Marx, not Lenin.


And point blank period, homophobia in Christianity is not a "zealous sect". It's the actual interpretation.


Funny thing about fundamentalists, they follow the fundamental teachings of their religion.


Atheism has nothing to do with communism, again there was never an evil communist empire.


Atheism was simply a part of Marxist ideology.


It's incomparable to muslim jihadist, jewish zionists and christian fundamentalists who saw the war in Iraq as "religious warfare or a crusade".


Alright? Stalin wanted power, he wanted to conquer, he wanted to establish and keep the Soviet Union as a antithesis to the west. He didn't wield atheism like some tool to justify his transgressions the way people use religion to justify their transgressions.


See the difference? See how that completely pokes holes through your argument?


You're trying to equate the two, but it's not going to work no matter how hard you try. You can't pull that card with atheism. It's not the same thing no matter how badly you wish it was.


And @ "Those questions are not meant to be condescending or loaded in any respect. Alright buddy.

Marx is father of the Marxism which birthed Communism. To me Karl Marx was just ideals...Communism is the practical implementation of the Marxism ideas. Karl Marx not was able to inplement his ideals. If its said Karl Marx is the father of Communism....Fine. I'll refine the term...Lenin is the father of Russian Communism.

Communism especially the early Soviet form, tried to be associated with atheism.

Stalin didn't wield atheism as a tool?

Stalin directed the "The Five Year atheist Plan"

"Under the “Plan”, not a single house of prayer shall remain in the territory of the USSR, and the very concept of God must be banished from the Soviet Union.”

Its estimated that Stalin policies killed at least 10 million Christians

How much clearer does it have to be that Stalin's atheism was a strong part of his actions?

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[HEATHEN]

Marx is father of the Marxism which birthed Communism. To me Karl Marx was just ideals...Communism is the practical implementation of the Marxism ideas. Karl Marx not was able to inplement his ideals. If its said Karl Marx is the father of Communism....Fine. I'll refine the term...Lenin is the father of Russian Communism.

Communism especially the early Soviet form, tried to be associated with atheism.

Stalin didn't wield atheism as a tool?

Stalin directed the "The Five Year atheist Plan"

"Under the “Plan”, not a single house of prayer shall remain in the territory of the USSR, and the very concept of God must be banished from the Soviet Union.”

Its estimated that Stalin policies killed at least 10 million Christians

How much clearer does it have to be that Stalin's atheism was a strong part of his actions?

No Stalin most certainly did not wield atheism as a tool to JUSTIFY his plans.


Alright? Nothing about atheism has anything to do with the eradication of religion. PERIOD.


Again, stop making baseless assertions. Not even confirmation bias at this point, you're overtly making reaches to make a point and you're grasping at air.



There is no atheist form of crusade, there is no atheist form of zionism, there is no atheist form of jihad. Nothing about atheism justifies violent transgressions, NOTHING.

 

[mister friendly]

Marx is father of the Marxism which birthed Communism. To me Karl Marx was just ideals...Communism is the practical implementation of the Marxism ideas. Karl Marx not was able to inplement his ideals. If its said Karl Marx is the father of Communism....Fine. I'll refine the term...Lenin is the father of Russian Communism.

Communism especially the early Soviet form, tried to be associated with atheism.

Stalin didn't wield atheism as a tool?

Stalin directed the "The Five Year atheist Plan"

"Under the “Plan”, not a single house of prayer shall remain in the territory of the USSR, and the very concept of God must be banished from the Soviet Union.”

Its estimated that Stalin policies killed at least 10 million Christians

How much clearer does it have to be that Stalin's atheism was a strong part of his actions?

No Stalin most certainly did not wield atheism as a tool to JUSTIFY his plans.


Alright? Nothing about atheism has anything to do with the eradication of religion. PERIOD.


Again, stop making baseless assertions. Not even confirmation bias at this point, you're overtly making reaches to make a point and you're grasping at air.



There is no atheist form of crusade, there is no atheist form of zionism, there is no atheist form of jihad. Nothing about atheism justifies violent transgressions, NOTHING.

Yes Stalin did

His atheistic beliefs were a strong part of his decisions to destroy churches, kill clergymen and persecute believers

Stop denying it.

 

[blastercombo]

If an atheist hates gays it's because they want to
If a christian hates gays its because they have to

The sad truth

 

[HEATHEN]

Yes Stalin did

His atheistic beliefs were a strong part of his decisions to destroy churches, kill clergymen and persecute belief

Stop denying it.

NO, his anti-theistic beliefs were a strong part of his decision to destroy churches and kill clergymen.


Not his atheistic beliefs.


There's a distinct ******* difference.


Stop denying THAT.

 

[HEATHEN]

Show me what part of atheism, supports the killing of others to spread or defend atheism?



That's ANTI-theism. The active opposition of theism.


NOT atheism.


You're NOT going to find anything equatable with religious intolerance of homosexuality or religious intolerance of other religions, or religious tolerance of slavery, or religious tolerance of violence, as far as atheism goes, period.



Atheism is simply, in a nutshell, the rejection of theism. Not the INTOLERANCE of theism, not the ERADICATION of theism, it's just the rejection of the idea.


Nothing more and nothing less.


Folks not out here dropping bombs on cities and lopping off heads in the name of atheism. Because atheism by itself does nothing to justify those acts.


People use religion to justify those acts however. Stalin didn't use atheism to justify his transgressions, he used STALINISM. That ***** rocked to his own beat. IDK if Marx would've cosigned dude.


That's the reality of it and you just need to accept that. Sorry I'm not sorry.

 

[sea manup]

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/391946-92-year-old-woman-gets-letter-kicking-church-cant-pay

 no surprise here

god is only willing to forgive when you're paying for the pastor's new car 

 

[mister friendly]

Yes Stalin did

His atheistic beliefs were a strong part of his decisions to destroy churches, kill clergymen and persecute belief

Stop denying it.

NO, his anti-theistic beliefs were a strong part of his decision to destroy churches and kill clergymen.


Not his atheistic beliefs.


There's a distinct ******* difference.


Stop denying THAT.

Its disingenuous to believe Stalin's atheistic beliefs couldn't influence his anti-theistic beliefs

What do you need a damn quote from Stalin's mouth saying " I did because I was an atheist "just like Dahmer?

Stop denying it

We are in the early 1800s America, you have a White slave owner who didn't believe Black slaves were actual people....you don't think those views may influence his actions on how he treats his Black slaves?

*waits for the accusations of reaching

 

[HEATHEN]

Its disingenuous to believe Stalin's atheistic beliefs couldn't influence his anti-theistic beliefs

What do you need a damn quote from Stalin's mouth saying " I did because I was an atheist "just like Dahmer?

Stop denying it

We are in the early 1800s America, you have a White slave owner who didn't believe Black slaves were actual people....you don't think those views may influence his actions on how he treats the slaves?

WHAT?





It's not disingenuous at all. Why? Because 99.9% of atheists aren't power-hungry tyrannical dictators who are anti-theist.


The reaches continue.


You don't want to bring up slavery b, you really don't. That point is about to work against you famb.

 

[mister friendly]

Its disingenuous to believe Stalin's atheistic beliefs couldn't influence his anti-theistic beliefs

What do you need a damn quote from Stalin's mouth saying " I did because I was an atheist "just like Dahmer?

Stop denying it

We are in the early 1800s America, you have a White slave owner who didn't believe Black slaves were actual people....you don't think those views may influence his actions on how he treats the slaves?

WHAT?





It's not disingenuous at all. Why? Because 99.9% of atheists aren't power-hungry tyrannical dictators who are anti-theist.


The reaches continue.


You don't want to bring up slavery b, you really don't. That point is about to work against you famb.

99% of Believers aren't power-hungry tyrannical either

The reach cop out as expected

I knew my hunch about you was correct

 

[sea manup]

MOST christians are anti homosexuality 

 

[blastercombo]

MOST christians are anti homosexuality 

Most? If you aren't then you aren't a christian.


Another sad truth

 

[HEATHEN]

99% of Believers aren't power-hungry tyrannical either

The reach cop out as expected

I knew my hunch about you was correct

Yet theists use religion everyday as a justification for their murderous transgressions.


Show me the atheists doing that.


You can't, because by itself atheism does not justify anti-theism.


Religion on the other hand does condone violence in its name.


The only one here copping out is you.


You are making horrendous, egregious reaches, everyone sees that except you. You're delusional.


And the only one who is confirming people's suspicions is you.


That suspicion being that you are a bigot.

 

[HEATHEN]

Most? If you aren't then you aren't a christian.


Another sad truth

BOOM, 10 hit combo.


SHORYUKEN.

 

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This is a good book for anyone who'd like to learn a little more about the atheist perspective.

 

[blastercombo]

And where's my answer?


Yes or no, does god hate gays and does God condone violence against those who go against him?

 

[HEATHEN]

It's this simple, are there theist religions that condone violence and intolerance?


Yes.


Does atheism condone violence and intolerance?


No.


It's really that black and white b. Deal with it.


If YOU want to see your religion's or any other religion's texts as arbitrary, that's on YOU.


Fundamentally, you're not following your religion to a T. And again, the new testament does NOT supersede the old testament.


You could be a MODEL ATHEIST, and that would mean you have not a anti-theist bone in your body because BY ITSELF, atheism is not the condoning of active eradication or oppression of religion.


Or the condoning of any violence.


mister friendly ,



the walls have officially closed in on you and you have absolutely nowhere to go. Your rebuttals, not that you ever had a valid one, are all used up.

 

[mister friendly]

Bigot?

All in your feels

 

[HEATHEN]

Bigot?

All in your feels

How about I'm just calling you for what you are.



No feels whatsoever, I don't give a **** about you b. Really. I'm just not going to allow ignorance to ride.



It was cute while it lasted, folks let you rock. But when you want to misrepresent and pigeonhole people like that, mince people's words, it's the principle.

 

[mister friendly]

You don't care yet ....you took the time to actually @ me like 50 times? and the time to cut and paste questions like 15 times

Who has got time for that?

Its all principle though...right

Its like its hard for you to have a discussion without your emotions

*waits for a "foh b"

 

[HEATHEN]

You don't care yet ....you took the time to actually @ me like 50 times? and the time to cut and paste questions like 15 times

Who has got time for that?

Its all principle though...right

All in your feels

Me taking the time to extinguish ignorance does not necessitate that I am remotely "in my feels" or emotional.


Or feeling any type of emotion, towards you personally.


My sentiment towards you can be best described as indifference.


But I will not sit idly by when someone spouts off their ignorance. It's abundantly clear your agenda here, it's abundantly clear that you harbor some animosity towards atheists.


And it kills you that you can't find a way to equate atheism with anti-theism or violence justified by theism.


Let that truth sink in, it hurt doesn't it.


Who REALLY is in their feels here? BTW, is it bed time quite yet?