Chicago Gangbangers Sit for an Interview. These Dudes are Crazy

[relli45]

***** SIMPLE
The problem: Kids are killing each other
The solution: Get in these kids faces. And actually give a ****. Stop letting the first male figure these dudes see be a 37 year old drug dealer and that'll knock out half of the problems.
And since when is child murder ok? ***** almost looking normal. Until its not. How about we raise hell like we do when the annual racial crime comes around? Thats what pissed me off this spring.
I dont mind nationwide rallys for Trayvon Martin tragedy. But can you imagine the impact if dudes in the hood held every young black murder victim to the same recognition?
Black folks aint always used to be like this b. Im from Birmingham my fam was part of the civil rights movement so excuse me for laughing at these new ***** excuses
When we ACTUALLY had real enemies in the government.
When we didnt have to make up conspiracy theories and the government actually let it be known they wasnt ******g with us.
When we couldnt vote without getting our heads bust. When we couldnt get proper education
During the real struggle. Not this new **** yall typing on ya laptops about

During the real black struggle We wasnt killing each other. We was together
So miss me with that Education excuse, miss me with that Government excuse, miss me with that poverty excuse. Cause black folks been dealing with that.
This killing one another is new tho. And like I said the solution is simple. Give a ****

 I agree with you to a certain extent.

But to be real with you there is heavy rallying in the Chi to stop all this.  The only reason the Travyon thing got more rally around it is A. national publicity and B. the whole race issue, and B is some BS to the greatest power.  At the same time A played a bigger part in the outrage.

The struggle is still real it's just more strategic now a days.  Dudes are still getting drug off into the darkness by whites and each other as well never to be heard from again.  But mindless meaningless murder ain't a black thing it's a American thing.  It's the drugs that catapult us to the top of the list when it comes to murder.  I found something on line a while ago that said caucasians led in every type of murder besides drug related.  They even beat us out on gang related murders.  It's really the media that plays us out to be monsters, but the statistics say something totally different.  S**t hasn't changed much they still trying to oppress the black vote just in a more innovative ways.  Think about the all those overturned conventions sense DNA test have been introduced.   Majority of them all black men, and if you have a Felony you can't vote.  They're going to stay trying to attack the minority vote.

And this killing each other s**t ain't nothing new it's just more of it going on these days.  The civil rights movement didn't have huge support like people think it just had huge publicity.  The majority of black people where busy acting a fool and drinking hooch.  The stories I got from my grandfather who was from Port Aurthur, TX, and great auntie's from Louisiana are straight up pure psychosomatic insane to the max.  Everything we do now they did then.

Like shoelyesses said if these kids feel like you can't relate with there situation anything you say will go in one ear and out the other.  You just got to let these young guys live there life.  They'll get tired of going to funerals and worrying about if they're going to die today.  Very few of these cats can be talked off the ledge.  They just wake up one day or grow out of that BS

 

[datznasty]

ss murder ain't a black thing it's a American thing. It's the drugs that catapult us to the top of the list when it comes to murder. I found something on line a while ago that said caucasians led in every type of murder besides drug related. They even beat us out on gang related murders.

You were lied to.

 

[relli45]

You were lied to.

We only beat whites out in 4 categories.  I never said we didn't have the highest murder rate, but it's mainly drug related

	All homicides	50.9%	46.9%	2.1%		45.8%	52.2%	2.0%
Victim/offender relationship
	Intimate	56.6%	41.2%	2.2%		54.4%	43.4%	2.2%
	Family	60.7%	36.9%	2.4%		59.2%	38.5%	2.3%
	Infanticide	55.9%	41.6%	2.5%		55.4%	42.1%	2.5%
	Eldercide	69.2%	29.1%	1.6%		54.5%	43.8%	1.6%
Circumstances
	Felony murder	54.7%	42.7%	2.6%		39.1%	59.3%	1.6%
	Sex related	66.9%	30.5%	2.5%		54.7%	43.4%	1.9%
	Drug related	37.4%	61.6%	.9%		33.9%	65.0%	1.1%
	Gang related	57.5%	39.0%	3.5%		54.3%	41.2%	4.4%
	Argument	48.6%	49.3%	2.1%		46.8%	51.1%	2.2%
	Workplace	84.6%	12.2%	3.2%		70.5%	26.7%	2.8%
Weapon
	Gun homicide	47.2%	50.9%	1.9%		41.9%	56.4%	1.7%
	Arson	58.9%	38.1%	2.9%		55.7%	42.0%	2.3%
	Poison	80.6%	16.9%	2.5%		79.8%	18.4%	1.8%
Multiple victims or offenders
	Multiple victims	63.4%	33.2%	3.3%		55.7%	40.8%	3.5%
	Multiple offenders	54.8%	42.5%	2.7%		44.6%	53.0%	2.4%

Homicide Type by Race, 1976-2005 [th=""] [/th][th=""] [/th][th=""]Victims[/th][th=""] [/th][th=""]Offenders[/th] [th=""] [/th][th="col"]White[/th][th="col"]Black[/th][th="col"]Other[/th][th="col"] [/th][th="col"]White[/th][th="col"]Black[/th][th="col"]Other[/th]

 

[maliz]

You were lied to.

We only beat whites out in 4 categories.  I never said we didn't have the highest murder rate, but it's mainly drug related

The problem with that chart is this doesn't specify if they are separating Hispanic from Caucasians when saying White. From those stats it looks like they are not.

 

[longstroke]

Everybody wanna be a gangsta
the real GANGSTA is the one who doesnt go to hail
the real GANGSTA is the one who gets an education and pays his own way
the real GANGSTA is not a burden to society
the real GANGSTA is afraid to tell his peers he has responsibility
the real GANGSTA thrives knowing there were obstacles like having one mother, living in poverty and not having the best education and STILL cares enough to become a MAN and not blame outside entities (government, white man) for not applying yourself ...
The sad this is these men aren't stupid, they know what they are doing is pointless, but the almighty dollar sure knows how to make some people stupid.......

There is nothing wrong with wanting to attain wealth. It is the right of every human being  to try and make sure that you do not have to worry about where your next meal comes from. When we take a close look at history, we see that some very important people in this world, have raised the profile of their families through unscrupulous means, and many are still getting away with it. I look at Rupert Murdoch, the Kennedy's, and knowing their backgrounds, blackmailers and bootleggers, it's kind of hard to tell these young men that they are not right in wanting to secure their existence.

The problem is, they are going about it in an unintelligent manner. It's reckless, then damaging to everyone around them. They are not building, they are destroying the very thing that should be of the most importance to them.

Themselves.

They see no connection to the rest of world, and they have no purpose, then left feeling as if they've never had one. This is why I find it very interesting that many young brothers call themselves the n word and son, even nephew with glee. I understand that these are supposedly terms of endearment, but I'd like to think that there are better terms in which we can address each other.

It's got to start somewhere.

It seems as if they are looking for that masculine authority, that male role model to teach them how to navigate through the world, then finding a purpose.

If they get stuck in the hood, being born of mothers who do not know any better, those who've never had any encouragement themselves, they, the young men, are not left with many options of being a MAN  that many here are encouraging them to be. You want to talk about responsibility? What's that?  Can't even spell it! 

People only do what they know how to do. They must be taught differently, and it's going to take more than just a Black Man sitting in the White House, in order to get that done.

The grassroots movement needs to start here in the U.S, just like it did in the sixties, then spreading out to the rest of the world. Black people already influence everything else, so imagine if we ever started looking out for ourselves...you think that the Tea Party caused a ruckus?

But unfortunately, I don't see it happening just yet. It wont happen unless we can do like the Jews, then putting our survival first, then putting God last.

If God has truly forgiven us for our sins, I am quite sure that we'd be forgiven this one last time, if we stood up for ourselves, then turning this thing upside down upon its head.

 

[relli45]

The problem with that chart is this doesn't specify if they are separating Hispanic from Caucasians when saying White. From those stats it looks like they are not.

Well I think the word "OTHER" pretty much answers that  question

 

[htownhooper31]

Those numbers are still pretty staggering considering black people are what 12% of the population?

 

[relli45]

Those numbers are still pretty staggering considering black people are what 12% of the population?

True.  I just found it  interesting when broken down like that.  You could almost say that drugs could've played a part in all 4 of those categories.  Also how many blacks make up the prison population

 

[maliz]

The problem with that chart is this doesn't specify if they are separating Hispanic from Caucasians when saying White. From those stats it looks like they are not.

Well I think the word "OTHER" pretty much answers that question

If you think a 15% of the population with similar problems to Blacks is only committing 2-4% of crime especially given the state of Cali and the west coast.

Census considers Caucasian and Hispanic one in the same unless they specify Non-Hispanic White and Hispanic. Your BJS was probably formulated in that fashion.

 

[mangudai954]

Not my problem.

If they don't know me then its not like they ever really cared about me in the first place. 

If you're thinking that about me, why should I care? 

The point is that I AM DOING WELL. Who cares what the world thinks? 

Thats the problem.

I've learned to look beyond that burden. If you meet me then I'm the outlier. If you refuse to change your position then its no longer my responsibility. 

If i'm still a "***** in a coupe" then thats what YOU say. That has no bearing on ANYTHING i'm doing. 

Agreed.

 

[AZwildcats]

My cousin was a dentist in Chicago for 6 years. He lived in a relatively well off area but his dental practice was in the West side of Chicago. He used to tell us all kinds of stories about how bad the spot was. I remember one night he called me after his office was broken into for like the 4th time in 3 weeks and said he had enough. He said something along the lines of "I didnt leave my third world country to move to another one".

He is now a dentist in Sugarland, TX

 

[boys noize]

Well I think the word "OTHER" pretty much answers that  question

The OTHER is definitely not covering Hispanics. They're lumped in with the Whites category.

 

[royster]

^Exactly, why do we even need a census anyway. Why does race/culture/religion/etc. have to be a factor. Who gives a middle finger....
The census lists Hispanics as not a race so they are marked off as "caucasian", then you have to mark off for all illegal's of all races who come and die without any statistical analogy. Don't be fed by the first search that comes up.
The problem isn't dealt within racial barriers, it's the problems in each economic class itself.
At least Africans- Americans have people who they can look up too and vouch for, Latino's have no one that they can relate to on a national level. I grew up in the poorest area of Texas and it happened to be significantly Latino. They don't have as many violent crimes, but are just hopeless in a sense they have no where to go.
Latino's are the next African-American's, and then another race or mixed-race will take over after that and so-on.
IMO, We need to help all of the lower income class in itself!
The govt needs stop top handing out free this and that, which gives these people just the right amount of $ to live contently and nothing more.
I feel for blacks, but I see brown, white, blue, orange, etc. struggle all the damn time. I'm not just going to help a kid in the future because of his damn skin color is the same as mine, I'm going to help him because we grew up the same. No one gave a ____ about us.
We can talk about the situation page after page, but if we aren't doing anything to help them then what are we talking for??
I hope one day when I can make amends of my own situations I can be somewhere helping at least one kid and then maybe a chain reaction can occur.
I feel for kids exactly like this, because if it wasn't for one/two role models in my life I would've been in their shoes.

my 2cents

 

[kiiing]

i was done when fam said fresh eggs

that moron said JAYS. what kid in the inner city cares about getting a fresh omelette every day?

Caught that as well...

Dude said Jays, but i guess his accent made it seem as though he said eggs...



...

I thought he said eggs. I thought it was chi lingo .. .. was coming here to ask what that meant.

 

[andee]

you can watch it in full on PBS.com

Documentary is directed by Steve James, guy who directed Hoop Dreams, btw, Definitely recommended

 

[iblink]

They are what America has made them. You all blame them for looking ignorant. i blame the failed educational systems, the poor infrastructure in their community, and the loss of identity. They've been subjected to feeling hopeless all their lives. The hell you really expect them to do but react?

 

[futuremd]

They are what America has made them. You all blame them for looking ignorant. 

Are you saying that I can't?

i blame the failed educational systems,

Is it the school systems that have failed or how serious they take school?

the poor infrastructure in their community,

Is chicago composed of dirt roads?

 and the loss of identity.

That doesn't solve math problems. 

They've been subjected to feeling hopeless all their lives.

There are kids who never meet their parents. 

 The hell you really expect them to do but react?

Find the resolve deep down knowing that all you've got is your balls and your word and that you will overcome no matter what.

This game of life isn't for everyone.

I'm all for the social safety net but dammit man, it gets really hard defending a gang of dudes who aren't even trying at this point. 

Dudes have to start performing at some point or another.

Barack has basically told the country that its YOUR fault if you don't succeed and every black man will be held to that standard.

If that doesn't inspire you, nothing will. 

White people aren't going to care much about your obstacles either when Barack gets reelected. You've already seen how hard they've been going since 2008. 

Lets be ALL the way real here.

Ain't **** out here for free. Its not a game.

If you really want it, you gotta hustle and grind like you've never done either before. 

I just watched this doc about chinese workers traveling home ONCE a year. You mean these dudes can't put down the goddamn guns? www.pbs.org/pov/lasttrainhome/index.php

We've GOT to hold ourselves to a higher standard or I'm done defending this sort of behavior. 

 

[bravo]

lol and smh.. i swear they try to make ****** look like heartless animals. i hear you reel, when your in a war zone the only way to survive is to be a soldier. either that or you stay away from the battle field. but who wants to live their life hiding from their own neighborhood. i agree with md too. we got to hold ourselves to a higher standard. if we dont, they sure as hell wont. i dont blame the kids tho, they dont know any better. its on us folks who see the system for what it is to come up with ways that the people can see/hear. instead all these kids hear growing up is some hooligan ***** ****.


enough of the blaming, we dont need to waste time jabbin at each other, especially since were all fighting for the same cause.

 

[bossjin]

Rob, steal, kill to get money lol dont try getting a job.

 

[wisepharoah]

This reality and mind state is something far far deeper then just poverty and lack of opportunity.The black group consciousness in America is one that is entwined with opression and struggle. I truly believe that this will never change until we promote self awareness and self worth from an early age that is not seeded in religion, but morality which is built around a culture of honor and reverance for life. Being born black is a very interesting reality in this country. From a very early age you are taught that you are the descendants of the lowest form of social class that there is below even a family dog. You are told that you are the descendants of people that were too primal and stupid to defend themselves so a far more "superior" and intelligent race captured you and made you the beast of all of their burdens. The Jewish, Japanese, Chinese, Native American and all other indigenous peoples of the world experience is completely different then that of the African American. This is a extremely deep pyschological wound in the subconscious of most blacks. We are taught erroneously to look at our past as a beacon of strength when in reality we should be looking at the present as a ripe and ample opportunity to carve out greatness. This issue cannot be rectified by the church, money, commitees or peace organizations. This deep cleansing and healing can only be put into action by individual strong will. The black culture in America too often falls victim to the "leadership" or " savior" complex in which we get behind some great man or women and expect them to do all the dirty work while we just rally behind them and as soon as they are killed or prove to be just human like the rest of us we go back to our old schools of thought and behavior.

 

[thorrocksjs]

I get weary of defending these dudes but you know what I will defend them to death.White people will generate a billion conspiracy theories for the dark knight rises shooter there problems etc and not confront reality.our reality is we actually have genuinely broken cmmunities with kids with the mental states of war vets running around shooting killing fighting just because.Its the same greed that motivates american politics on a greater scale.These kids are emulating what they've been seeing for years .The ogs are dead so the kids become the ogs .Chicagos gang culture is so deeply embedded in their culture it cant be removed.The government gave them money at one point in time during the 70s too .But yes i've grown tired of Chicagos stupidity I wish i can offer a genuine solution but to be honest .We would have to give these dudes an ultimatium as a community either get your stuff together or we will rat and put all of yall in jail no matter who is your parent etc.We need assert some control over these dudes.We are letting thugs and criminals dictate what goes on for too long.We need to get these dudes out of our communities permanently .

 

[boys noize]

Are you saying that I can't?


Is it the school systems that have failed or how serious they take school?

Is chicago composed of dirt roads?

That doesn't solve math problems. 

There are kids who never meet their parents. 


Find the resolve deep down knowing that all you've got is your balls and your word and that you will overcome no matter what.

This game of life isn't for everyone.

I'm all for the social safety net but dammit man, it gets really hard defending a gang of dudes who aren't even trying at this point. 

Dudes have to start performing at some point or another.

Barack has basically told the country that its YOUR fault if you don't succeed and every black man will be held to that standard.

If that doesn't inspire you, nothing will. 

White people aren't going to care much about your obstacles either when Barack gets reelected. You've already seen how hard they've been going since 2008. 

Lets be ALL the way real here.

Ain't **** out here for free. Its not a game.

If you really want it, you gotta hustle and grind like you've never done either before. 

I just watched this doc about chinese workers traveling home ONCE a year. You mean these dudes can't put down the goddamn guns? www.pbs.org/pov/lasttrainhome/index.php

We've GOT to hold ourselves to a higher standard or I'm done defending this sort of behavior. 

Thanks for posting that PBS doc. Really great watch so far. I've already sent the link out to several friends. Very relevant to what's going on now in China. The documentary shows a side that most Westerners won't get a chance to experience. When I volunteered at a school in China two years ago, it was in a rural village just like the ones shown in the doc.

 

[xbiker47]

 

[futuremd]

This reality and mind state is something far far deeper then just poverty and lack of opportunity.The black group consciousness in America is one that is entwined with opression and struggle. I truly believe that this will never change until we promote self awareness and self worth from an early age that is not seeded in religion, but morality which is built around a culture of honor and reverance for life. Being born black is a very interesting reality in this country. From a very early age you are taught that you are the descendants of the lowest form of social class that there is below even a family dog. You are told that you are the descendants of people that were too primal and stupid to defend themselves so a far more "superior" and intelligent race captured you and made you the beast of all of their burdens. The Jewish, Japanese, Chinese, Native American and all other indigenous peoples of the world experience is completely different then that of the African American. This is a extremely deep pyschological wound in the subconscious of most blacks. We are taught erroneously to look at our past as a beacon of strength when in reality we should be looking at the present as a ripe and ample opportunity to carve out greatness. This issue cannot be rectified by the church, money, commitees or peace organizations. This deep cleansing and healing can only be put into action by individual strong will. The black culture in America too often falls victim to the "leadership" or " savior" complex in which we get behind some great man or women and expect them to do all the dirty work while we just rally behind them and as soon as they are killed or prove to be just human like the rest of us we go back to our old schools of thought and behavior.

I agree.

The only thing I disagree is when you compare it to other ethnicities. Every society has its own "stratum" 

 

[htownhooper31]

My cousin was a dentist in Chicago for 6 years. He lived in a relatively well off area but his dental practice was in the West side of Chicago. He used to tell us all kinds of stories about how bad the spot was. I remember one night he called me after his office was broken into for like the 4th time in 3 weeks and said he had enough. He said something along the lines of "I didnt leave my third world country to move to another one".
He is now a dentist in Sugarland, TX

That's funny, I was born outside of Chicago and moved to Sugar Land when I was 7. Don't mean to get off topic tho