Kevin Samuels Thread

[Based Jesus]

Do young white people not contribute to racial oppression? I don't understand the argument.
We not even talking about kids with 1985 and the 90s being used as qualifiers. Us Millenials are old bro.

And if you're saying "I''m not a contributor because I'm young so I don't need to learn about it" that makes no sense either.
You want to start when people are young so they know better by the time they are in positions of power so they don't abuse it. Or so they're prepared for it.

 

[Present]

“Modern women want the power of men - the privilege of women and the accountability of children!”

BARS!!!!

 

[Master Zik]

 

[youngthundercat]

whooooo is making 40k a year, living in a CONDO?!?? Your math is terrible

My boy putting too much respect on 40k, I think he meant 100k.

 

[gotjz]

DCAllAfrican I read the articles and they’re baseless claims. Isolated and anecdotal situations of mistreatment towards black women by idiot black men don’t equate to “black men oppress black women and are the white men of the black community.”

Cat calling isn’t oppression, it’s an annoyance to women... (and only annoying when it’s from the guy they don’t want but seems to be a lot less oppressive when it’s the rich guy or celeb lol) With the logic y’all are imploring us to follow with that claim, women are oppressors too. Pretty women oppressing uglier women. Fat women being oppressed by women in shape. The black girl that’s bullying a smaller black boy has now become the new “white man of the black community” successfully taking the title from black men smh

 

[Present]

Hit dogs are supposed to holler.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

@ "You ATE yourself into that situation."

@ The old "15 minute abs" reference.

 

[marikomorose]

DCAllAfrican I read the articles and they’re baseless claims. Isolated and anecdotal situations of mistreatment towards black women by idiot black men don’t equate to “black men oppress black women and are the white men of the black community.”

Cat calling isn’t oppression, it’s an annoyance to women... (and only annoying when it’s from the guy they don’t want but seems to be a lot less oppressive when it’s the rich guy or celeb lol) With the logic y’all are imploring us to follow with that claim, women are oppressors too. Pretty women oppressing uglier women. Fat women being oppressed by women in shape. The black girl that’s bullying a smaller black boy has now become the new “white man of the black community” successfully taking the title from black men smh

Would you consider objectification & intimidation tactics as "oppressive"?

 

[KHUFU]

I LOVE to meet the man who walks through a group of women, then will turn and tell me that he felt intimidated by those women, as if he felt threatened as to what they would DO or say to him.

I'd love to meet THAT man.

A BLACK man no less?

Oh yeah, you are afraid they'll tell you that you've got a small johnson or something, right?! I can see women in these Black neighborhoods standing on the corners, cat calling men, yelling that they want to peg one of ya'll, then check your credit! Yeah! Black women are abusing Black men, oppressing them as well!

WTH?!

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Not to derail this thread but I've never understood the idea of partying with the last money in your account. I like going out as much as the next person but if I literally don't have enough money to get back home, I'm not traveling anywhere

They expect someone to come save the day. I am sure most people that do that are women.

 

[tomdiginson]

Didn't some of them do that for the stripper bowl thing like 2 years ago that was hosted in Atlanta as well?

 

[oidreez]

how did she come out with $1300 needed to return home. A spirit flight is like a hundred bucks.

 

[tay1]

how did she come out with $1300 needed to return home. A spirit flight is like a hundred bucks.

Because she’s finessing

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Because she’s finessing

 

[Maximus Meridius]

If a chick is at least a 6 she can find a sucka to get her back home. I don't know why anybody bought that story she came up with.

 

[gotjz]

Would you consider objectification & intimidation tactics as "oppressive"?

Objectification and intimidation can be “oppressive” in the proper context, but they can also just simply be objectification and intimidation tactics.

 

[gotjz]

I LOVE to meet the man who walks through a group of women, then will turn and tell me that he felt intimidated by those women, as if he felt threatened as to what they would DO or say to him.

I'd love to meet THAT man.

A BLACK man no less?

Oh yeah, you are afraid they'll tell you that you've got a small johnson or something, right?! I can see women in these Black neighborhoods standing on the corners, cat calling men, yelling that they want to peg one of ya'll, then check your credit! Yeah! Black women are abusing Black men, oppressing them as well!

WTH?!

where’s the Jaguar fan gif?
Feeling intimidated or threatened doesn’t equate to being oppressed. It can be a result of being oppressed, but you’re making a false equivalency. With your logic, the gazelle is oppressed by the lion correct?

I know that question could lead to people actually answering that lions oppress gazelles, so how about when that same lion feels threatened and intimidated by an elephant. Is the elephant oppressing the lion?

I’d LOVE to meet the elephant who walks through a group of lions, then will turn and tell me that it felt intimidated by those lions, as if it felt treated as to what they would do or roar to it....

Probably afraid they’re going to roar about small trunk or dull tusks

 

[KHUFU]

where’s the Jaguar fan gif?
Feeling intimidated or threatened doesn’t equate to being oppressed. It can be a result of being oppressed, but you’re making a false equivalency. With your logic, the gazelle is oppressed by the lion correct?

I know that question could lead to people actually answering that lions oppress gazelles, so how about when that same lion feels threatened and intimidated by an elephant. Is the elephant oppressing the lion?

I’d LOVE to meet the elephant who walks through a group of lions, then will turn and tell me that it felt intimidated by those lions, as if it felt treated as to what they would do or roar to it....

Probably afraid they’re going to roar about small trunk or dull tusks

Are you comparing animals in the wild to the human experience while in civilization, where laws and social cues supposedly rule?

Really?



The main reason why Black women feel as they do, is because those laws and social cues are not with regard for their existence! White women, Karen's, can scream and automatically get someone arrested, killed even, RIP Emmitt, but Black women?

They do not receive the same respect in regard to the law, and not even the police respect Black women due to that fact. RIP Breeona Taylor

Black women are the most abused, mistreated women on the planet, and they have a right to feel as if they are not being looked after by their own kind, because largely, they are not. So yeah, Black women have a right to feel oppressed, through the gaining of unwarranted attention, unwarranted cat calls and aggression.

The law does not give a damn about them.

 

[frankmatthews]

they are not being looked after by their own kind, because largely, they are not.

Whats the root of this tho? Were this posted by someone else I would feel as if they were saying this is inherent behavior in black men. Like I said before, this is either an issue for all males due to the sexual and power dynamic perpetuated in this country, or its a result of a coordinated effort to destroy the black family over many generations. Lets stop ****ting on black men for the benefit of black women. Hens ****ting on the rooster while the fox runs rampant.

 

[gotjz]

Are you comparing animals in the wild to the human experience while in civilization, where laws and social cues supposedly rule?

Really?



The main reason why Black women feel as they do, is because those laws and social cues are not with regard for their existence! White women, Karen's, can scream and automatically get someone arrested, killed even, RIP Emmitt, but Black women?

They do not receive the same respect in regard to the law, and not even the police respect Black women due to that fact. RIP Breeona Taylor

Black women are the most abused, mistreated women on the planet, and they have a right to feel as if they are not being looked after by their own kind, because largely, they are not. So yeah, Black women have a right to feel oppressed, through the gaining of unwarranted attention, unwarranted cat calls and aggression.

The law does not give a damn about them.

Ppl forget that humans are still just part of the animal kingdom in this great scheme of things no matter how big or advanced we’d like to think of ourselves as. So yes....just like my desire to protect and provide for my women comes from natural/primal instinct. Not laws and social cues.

Those laws and social cues weren’t created by black men. That’s the topic of discussion here. Yes, white women have more privilege than black women as do all white ppl over black ppl.

I agree that black women are the most mistreated and abused women. That comes by default because they’re black. Black ppl are the most abused and mistreated ppl on the planet, so logic would tell me that the women of said group would be the most mistreated and abused women....

Their mistreatment and abuse isn’t at the hands of black men. Black women can feel that they’re not being looked after by black men, that’s fair. But critical thinking would also have me tell those ladies that black people as a whole don’t look after each other. An individual black person usually doesn’t truly look after their own self (different conversation, but if one actively engages in things that work towards ones own detriment... they’re not truly looking after themselves i.e taxes, our eating habits, willingness to be “taught” by oppressor, adopting oppressors religion, monogamy, etc)

The incorrect rhetoric of black men oppressing block women does far more harm than any possible good (which a look at today’s society and trends serves as case in point.) The more steam this rhetoric has gotten, the less married these women have seem to become....coincidentally.

The law doesn’t give a damn about US.

 

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Black women are the most abused, mistreated women on the planet

On the whole planet though?

10 Reasons Why Saudi Women Flee

1. No Freedom to Travel or Get a Passport

No country restricts the movement of its female population more than Saudi Arabia. Women cannot apply for a passport or travel outside the country without their male guardian’s approval, restrictions the Interior Ministry imposes and enforces. In practice, some women are prevented from leaving their homes without their guardian’s permission and guardians can seek a court order for a woman to return to the family home. Saudi Arabia did not allow women to drive cars until June 2018. The travel restrictions make it very difficult for Saudi women to flee the country. Many resort to hacking into their male guardian’s phone to change their travel permission settings or run away from family members while outside the country.

2. No Freedom to Choose Marriage Partner, and Child Marriages

Saudi authorities limit a woman’s ability to enter freely into marriage by requiring her to obtain the permission of a male guardian. A woman’s consent is generally given orally before a religious official officiating for the marriage, and both the woman and her male guardian are required to sign the marriage contract. Whereas men can marry up to four wives at a time.

Saudi law has no minimum marriage age, and Saudi media outlets continue to carry occasional reports of child marriages, including rare reports of girls as young as 8. On January 9, 2019, Saudi Arabia’s Shura Council, an advisory body, overwhelmingly passed a proposal setting the minimum age of marriage at 18, but leaving exceptions for girls ages 15 to 18 to marry with court approval. The proposal will become law only if promulgated by Saudi Arabia’s council of ministers.

3. Domestic Violence

As in other countries, many women in Saudi Arabia are subject to domestic violence. Over a one-year period ending October 13, 2015, the Ministry of Labor and Social Development reported that it encountered 8,016 cases of physical and psychological abuse, most involving violence between spouses. Saudi Arabia criminalized domestic violence in 2013, but activists have criticized the lack of implementation of the law.

Saudi Arabia’s National Family Protection Program estimates that 35 percent of Saudi women have experienced violence, yet the head of Saudi Arabia’s Human Rights Commission said that of the 1,059 cases referred to Saudi courts in 2017 involving violence against women, only 59 were for domestic violence. Guardianship makes it incredibly difficult for victims to seek protection or obtain legal redress. Human Rights Watch research has found that women occasionally struggle to report an incident to the police or access social services or the courts without a male relative.

Moreover, the male guardianship system facilitates domestic violence by granting male relatives a huge amount of control over women’s lives. Controlling a woman’s movements itself is a form of domestic violence that the government enforces.

Women who attempt to flee an abusive spouse or family can be arrested and returned to their families. If they flee or are referred to shelters, they are not allowed to leave unless they reconcile with family members or accept an arranged marriage. The shelters and the authorities do not facilitate women’s ability to live independently.

4. Employment Discrimination

Saudi Arabia has increased employment opportunities for women in recent years in areas previously closed to them. The Saudi government does not enforce formal guardianship restrictions on women wishing to work, but the authorities do not penalize private or public employers who require a guardian’s consent for women to work or restrict jobs to men. In addition, some professions, like judges and drivers, remain off limits to women, and strict sex segregation policies act as a disincentive to employers considering hiring women.

5. Healthcare Discrimination

A 2014 medical code of ethics prepared by a state institution declares that a woman’s consent should be sufficient to receive health care. In reality, however, the requirement for guardian permission is dependent on a particular hospital’s internal regulations, and the government does not penalize institutions that require consent. Human Rights Watch spoke with medical professionals at private hospitals that do not require guardian permission and others at public hospitals that require guardian permission for a woman to be operated on or admitted. Human Rights Watch has documented how requiring guardian approval for medical procedures has exposed women to prolonged pain or, in extreme cases, to life-threatening danger.

6. Inequality in Divorce, Child Custody, Inheritance

Like many other Muslim-majority countries, Saudi Arabia bases its personal law system on Islamic law. But unlike most other countries, Saudi Arabia has no written family law.

Women’s right to divorce is more restricted than for men. Men may unilaterally divorce their wives without condition. The man does not need to inform his wife that he intends to divorce her, nor must she be in court for her husband to obtain a divorce decree.

The authorities introduced a notification system in January that allows for women to be notified by text when a man registers his divorce in the courts. But woman’s rights activists report that men often unilaterally divorce women orally without documentation, leaving the woman to prove to the courts that their husbands have divorced them.

Women have no right to unilateral divorce and are subject to lengthier and more costly processes. Women either must seek a khul’ divorce, under which a man generally agrees to the divorce on the condition that a woman will pay back the full amount of her dowry, or a woman can apply to the courts for a fault-based divorce on limited grounds, and must prove the fault, such as mistreatment by the husband. As there is no personal status or family law, the judge determines whether there was mistreatment. Throughout divorce proceedings, a woman’s husband remains her guardian, with the authority to control her decisions.

While the courts may allow children to live with their mothers following a divorce, women have no right to be their children’s legal guardian. An activist who follows the issue said that girls usually are transferred to the father’s custody at age 7 and that boys may decide at age 9 which parent they want to live with.

In 2014, the authorities issued a positive ruling that when children are ordered to live with their mothers after divorce, she can obtain documents and conduct government business for them. The decision enabled women to register their children in schools, take them to health centers, and obtain identity documents for them. Fathers, however, maintain the right to grant travel permission for children or to authorize daughters’ marriages.

In matters of inheritance, as in most Muslim-majority countries, women are only entitled to inherit half of what male heirs inherit.

7. Challenges to Transferring Guardianship

In certain cases women may transfer legal guardianship from one male relative to another, but it is an extremely difficult legal process. Human Rights Watch research indicates that it is very difficult to transfer guardianship except for cases in which a woman can prove severe abuse or that the guardian is incapable of caring for her, for example due to old age. Even then, it can only be done through a court order and can be difficult to establish the requisite level of proof.

8. Restrictions on Leaving Prison and Shelters

Saudi prisons and juvenile detention centers only allow women to exit into the care of a male relative. Imprisoned women whose families refuse to release them are forced to remain in prison or in shelters until they reconcile with their families or obtain a new guardian, occasionally only after arranged marriages.

9. Restrictions on Studying Abroad

Unlike Saudi men, women cannot study abroad on a government scholarship without guardian approval and, while it is not always enforced, the rules officially require a male relative to accompany them throughout their studies abroad.

10. Political Repression

Under Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, Saudi authorities have intensified a coordinated crackdown on dissidents, human rights activists, and independent clerics. In 2018, this repression extended to the country’s leading women’s rights advocates who have advocated ending the male guardianship system. On May 15, just weeks before the Saudi authorities lifted the ban on women driving on June 24, authorities began arrests of prominent women’s rights activists and accused several of them of grave crimes like treason that appear to be directly related to their activism.

Saudi Arabia: 10 Reasons Why Women Flee

Rahaf Mohammed, the Saudi woman who managed to successfully flee her allegedly abusive family, has shed new light on the countless women trapped under the abusive male guardianship system in Saudi Arabia, Human Rights Watch said today. Women face systematic discrimination and are left exposed to...

www.hrw.org

I agree that women suffer injustice, as do men, as do children, as do animals - all in one way shape or form - no matter their color.

People are just people and there will always be people that hurt other people.

Such is the way of the World.

What we can do is work to make it better. Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere.

IJS We gotta stop the competition.

Sorta like Fred Hampton was trying to do.

Bring us together on what we have in common...injustice and oppression.

No matter if its a Black woman or a White baby or a Chinese grandfather, or an endangered species.

This white vs black, men vs women, old vs young, man vs animal stuff aint getting us nowhere.

The real enemy is those in power, meaning government and corporate America...because they have the authority vested in them by us by our votes and our money.

As such it is them that are accountable.

 

[KHUFU]

Ppl forget that humans are still just part of the an///imal kingdom in this great scheme of things no matter how big or advanced we’d like to think of ourselves as.

Wrong. You start there, and that is a very christian thing to think and say.

Since you've started that way? You end up believing that we are all born of sin, which is complete crap. Save it.

 

[marikomorose]

Christian's don't think that. Y'all ever get high and sex? That **** looks mad primitive. Like we really apes

 

[tomdiginson]

Wrong. You start there, and that is a very christian thing to think and say.

Since you've started that way? You end up believing that we are all born of sin, which is complete crap. Save it.

lolwut? I've never heard a Christian consider themself to be apart of the animal kingdom. Most reject it. To say that they are apart of the animal kingdom would be to say that they've evolved from monkeys which they've rejected.

 

[gotjz]

Wrong. You start there, and that is a very christian thing to think and say.

Since you've started that way? You end up believing that we are all born of sin, which is complete crap. Save it.

Still need Jaguarsfan gif smh. I couldn’t be any farther from christianity lol....

To think that I’m a part of something inconceivable and incomprehensible to me correlates with christianity how?

And I don’t believe we’re all born of sin (again I don’t subscribe to Greco-Roman mythology BS for it’s not my culture and that goes for all abrahamic faiths)....weird correlations and reaches going on.

Since we’re not part of the animal kingdom, we are what? And please provide supporting evidence to support your claim. (Created as experiments by the Annunaki is a cool theory but no evidence lol)