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Brah people have no idea. The fees are disgusting and keep jumping because the State Department is not properly funded, so they are used to patch budget holes.
People actually think it is like it is the equivalent to couple trips to the DMV.
1stdoes it though? i have to re-read the story but i thought his status changed due to his ex-wife saying the marriage was fake (i think she later recanted, saying she was pressured)...do other countries offer similar status to people who over stay visas or 'illegally' immigrate? i know there exists a vocal "keep murica, christian & white" contingent but i would think most folk are like these are the rules, and these are the consequences camp...if someone knowingly built a life & family in a country the immigrated to by either by managing to 'evade' being caught or by some bureaucratic oversight, i don't understand how it is necessarily callous to say, even if that someone were an exemplary citizen the whole time, there should exist some penalty for it. i don't think it should be necessarily be deportation...but something...
isn't the problem with demanding being reasonable, agreeing on what exactly is reasonable? especially when it requires people concede and cede their comfort, privilege, etc....
wouldn't that be an easy pass going forward, like why would anyone apply for legal status then? as much as i am tempted to think the solution is to have some outline of combination of minimum requirements (education, being employed, and/or having family ties in the states) outline and some monetary fee/penalty that could be adjusted or paid over time, that too would probably disadvantage many & may be untenable given that most immigrants are maybe not financially stable...
it is very disturbing how the center has become so conservative, but it definitely seem to be the case that the conservative parts of this country are waaay more concerned/upset about these issues than progressives; and thus maybe status quo ends up the best outcome in such a circumstance...
The legal battle
In the 1980s, Adi held a green card. But he lost his permanent resident status in the early 1990s, after moving to Brazil for three years with his wife. When he returned, Adi tried to apply for a new card, but was rejected.
Immigration officials accused him of having a sham marriage with his American ex-wife.
His ex-wife had signed a statement alleging marriage fraud. According to Adi, his lawyer and multiple media interviews with Adi's ex-wife, she was coerced into making the statement after immigration officials showed up at her door.
In 2007, she signed an affidavit retracting her statement and denying the marriage was fraudulent.
Despite the affidavit, he was unable to gain legal status. In 2009, he was issued with a deportation order.
"ICE agents were to meet them at the airport and remove his ankle bracelet before he boarded the flight," Adi's attorney told CNN. "On January 4th, ICE called to say that they canceled the departure date -- that he should not depart as scheduled and that no new date was set."
But according to Leopold, Adi was asked instead to report to ICE local headquarters on January 15 for a routine check-in to discuss the case. Adi was escorted by several supporters including Ryan, but he was taken into custody without being given a reason.
Adi was not able to see his family before being put on a plane to Amman on January 30.
I am much harder on the American immigration system because they toyed with me and my family a lot. They denied my sister and I twice for green cards on technicalities. Made me wait nearly 6 years of my damn naturalization certificateNot to mention that when/if they **** up the process (misplace your paperwork, don't pick up the ****ing application you mailed to their USPS PO Box), it's on YOU to know and correct that before the application deadline or your money is gone and your application denied. Then, the law says you have to drop everything you were doing here, go back to your country, and start the multi-year long immigration process from scratch. I don't mind the fees (I can't dictate what they are) or the waiting time, but the immigration laws could be a little more reasonable.
Man please, no.
The Democrats have been ready to cut an immigration deal now for a while. Every time it has been tanked by a handful of Republicans. It has been the GOP that demands cuts to the State Department administrative arm that could get legal immigrants processed.
Trump could order ICE to hold off and call for an immigration deal. Instead, he put a figurative gun to the head of Dreamers and wanted people to pick between them and future otherwise legal immigrants. And you can't see the difference that under another president he was allowed to stay, but ICE under Trump is forcing him out. That shows the Trump administration is different than other administrations.
It cost my family thousands of dollars and years of our lives to get a green card for my sister and I. It didn't get my naturalization papers, until seven years after I qualified to be a citizen. I have been through the logjam myself. I from my point of view, we as a country need to call out the ones that refuse to come to sense on the immigration issue and shame them into doing the right thing, the adult thing.
Everyone doesn't have to take the blame for the buffoonery of hardcore conservatives or Donald Trump. This is not both sides issue. There are those willing to address the issue (many Republicans too) and xenophobes and white nationalist like Trump that hold things up.
1st
Let us start with you "rule of law" argument as to why it is so reasonable to this man to face further punishment. You say you have read the story, well I want to draw our attention to this part...
So officials supposedly strong arm false statement from the ex-wife, we have no third part investigation, yet that previous statement was used as grounds to deny him another green card, and supposedly. Where is the outrage that this man is being screwed over because of this.
And since he is married to a citizen, and had citizen kids, given the laws now he probably couldn't get status through them because of his pending status. So his current wife could not file for him, his kids could file for him, if not for his previous issues. Issues that stem from authorities getting a false statement. And you don't see how it is callous to just look at a man being ripped from his friends and family under these circumstances.
Sorry but I sure do.
Especially when you throw in this cherry on top.....
I have been through the immigration system to get a green card and being naturalized. It was a mess both times. I have worked in a law firm dealing with immigration issues. To act or think like immigration authorities follow some strict procedure is laughable. There is a ton of grey area. People that have legit claims to citizenship face threats of deportation too because of technicalities.
This man has probably spent thousands of dollars and hours of time. Fine him if you want, but let him stay and be done with it.
Now onto the more general of immigration because I feel a lot is left out of the discussion....
2nd
Your comment about what is reasonable just doesn't fly with me. For multiple reasons. Let us put the moral and racial argument aside. Let us discuss the economics of "reason."
-Is reasonable to deport over 11 million people from the country. Deportation that will not only be expensive but also have tons of adverse economic outcomes. We need the bodies to drive economic growth. Subtracting all those people is going to hurt in the long run. So when the economy is so structurally weak, we are spending a ton funding the wealthy, interest rates increasing, how is it reasonable to drive us even closer to a recession.
Not only that, we create a labor supply boom in places like Mexico, driving down wages, and making it even more appealing for manufacturers. And America's better brace for paying more for their food, and construction projects. I don't mind that much, since maybe it will wake people up to how immigrants are used as a weapon by the wealthy, but everyone even the so-called "reasonable folk" needs to wake up to the consequences of certain policies, and stop thinking all proposals hold equal validity.
-Is it reasonable to have all these parent-less children around, and now have to pay to build up the foster-care system to take care of them. I mean they are citizens, they are America's responsibility if they stay. And if they don't get adequate care, well be ready to face the economic and social consequences of that
-And if those kids leave, is it then reasonable to expect the country to go through the pain of re-assimilating them when they do return.
3rd
Back to the morality of the situation and what is reasonable. To me, that is not a hard question. Only people that what excuses for being heartless think they are. Like was it fair for white people to not want black people in front of the bus, or at the same lunch counter, or using the same bathroom, or attending the same universities, or living in the same neighborhoods?
Was it hard to tell men that women had the right not vote? Or tell people that same sex couple have the right to marry.
The answers to those question were always easy, yet moderates acted like they were so hard to answer or even ask. So hard to tell one group of people they were wrong, and get over it. Why must everything be looked at like a zero-sum game? That showing one group mercy or empathy somehow hurts others. People focus to much on punishment and not enough on fixing the underlying systemic forces and cause unwanted outcomes. I don't know why reasonable folk can't stop trying to figure out the adequate punishment for undocumented citizens in the country, just let it go, and work on fixing the forces that attracted them in the first place and still attract more of them to come.
People's bigotry and entitlement always have be considered when it comes to doing someone that it not only morally right but economically right. That we can't just institute good policy because of the people that are so caught up on punishment and their warped way of looking at what is "right"
4th
This narrative that immigrants, excuse me, impoverished South American immigrants (Because we seem to have less of a problem with the affluent Asian and white immigrants overstaying visas) just come to live off of the government, live off of the money of taxpayers. Most come for jobs, they lack opportunity in their country and often work to send money back home. They keep coming because American companies keep hiring them. Affluent people love to complain about these Hispanic leeches, but they continually employ them directly and indirectly. Hire them to work our farms, to do our landscaping, to watch our kids, and work in restaurants. If we wanted less of them to come, why don't clamp down on business and people that hire them? Let ICE come down hard on businesses, not the people.
Because if people want to play the "rules are rules" card, I sure hope that everything they consume is undocumented immigrant labor free. From the meal they eat at that Mom and Pop Chinese restaurant, to the bridge you drive over to go to work because that bridge was probably built by subcontracting down, and down, and down until they became small enough so not get the attention of the FEDS. If rules are rules, and I hope everyone is damn principled.
Nope, instead, we create these incentives for poor folk to come, hire them when they get here, then get upset at them for making a home. When ICE comes for them like they are Gestapo, we shrug and say "well rules are rules." To me, that speaks to greater hypocrisy in this country; one that goes beyond the white nationalist right.
Not only that, we ignore that America played a hand in making many of the region worst off economically, and politically unstable. Like how many dictators did we support, "rebels" we funneled guns too, governments we strong-armed for their resources, and other large nations we convince to drop trade protections for smaller ones? Do "reasonable people" ever stop and think America might have some responsibility in clean up messes they helped create, and assisting the victims of those messes.
I hear all this talk or border security. But most undocumented immigrants are overstaying visas; they are flying in. So why is there not a push to clamp down on holiday visas? Oh, I suppose because they don't want to hurt the American tourism industry. But instead a reasonable immigration debate is about to be had, and people are gonna prioritize border security, and the middle ground is cutting down on "diversity" in immigration
5th
People will apply for legal status to work, to go to school, to get help if they need it. If we were a leftist country, they would need to be documented to participate in jobs programs, or get health insurance, and so on. If people are so concerned with specific immigrants groups working then that can be solved by giving them status (unbound to an employer) having stronger labor laws, and pushing jobs programs. Make the process less painful and cheaper. If the incentives are right, people will act accordingly.
Before 1965, we hardly had these discussions. When quotas keep the face of the immigrant (undocumented or otherwise) white, America didn't ponder these things like how much immigrants were going to take from the economy. The second that changed, and the face of the foreign immigrant became brown, this diet Camp of Saints shtick started.
You decry that the center in American is now conservative. So I ask, why argue immigration from the center. It most assuredly puts us on the right of the issue. And when the right has been so wrong on this issue for so long, so why should I respect such arguments that inherently argue finding a bad middle ground, give into white nationalism in some ways, that does not address underlying issues, that treats people as "others", and gets hung up on punishment.
That is not a reasonable request.
We believe in their god more than they do but they always wanna get on their high horse and play moral and religious authority with us
interesting stat considering da abortion rates by race/ethnicity...
interesting stat considering da abortion rates by race/ethnicity...
Conservatives love to bring up the biblical argument when the bible says nothing on abortion
create a system to keep people broke as **** with no options and then chastise them when they dont want to bring a child into that situation?
which is why you should support efforts like Planned Parenthood, even if they're not perfect, because they're better than the alternatives.its called contraception b...condoms? plan B? IUD? shot? patch? options galore...
its called contraception b...condoms? plan B? IUD? shot? patch?
its called contraception b...condoms? plan B? IUD? shot? patch? options galore...
It's impressive that you've managed to get a degree in spite of your disability.Of course you can say "They should have used birth control" but then you deny them both access and education.
This comment is so asinine, I don't know where to start.this is what you're going with? k...
its called contraception b...condoms? plan B? IUD? shot? patch? options galore...
i highlighted da juxtaposition between that pew poll and abortion rates cuz frankly there's hypocritical rhetoric on both sides, (as seen by latest bipartisan spending bill signed that no one cares about debt at all)
i been following politics long enough to see its all theater for public consumption... not a single Democrat signed da tax bill sighting da deficit, and yet da bipartisan spending bill for 2 years makes w/e hole in da budget that aforementioned bill supposedly creates make it look like a pin prick in comparison...
so sure, da same demographic that claims da most religious conviction, leads da stats in most abortions...da party of smaller government just signed up for more deficit spending..... welcome to politics.
This comment is so bad, I don't know where to start.
It is like you consume politicial news, bit comprehend nothing.
Or "I told the truth, but I left out the stuff that might have worked against me"
This explains why it took him 20 years to get da associates lolThis comment is so asinine, I don't know where to start.
It is like you consume politicial news, bit comprehend nothing.
This explains why it took him 20 years to get da associates lol