Kevin Samuels Thread

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Define power please so I can be better suited to answer your question. Answer it directly please.

Many scholars adopt the definition developed by German sociologist Max Weber, who said that power is the ability to exercise one’s will over others (Weber 1922).

Sociologists examine government and politics in terms of their impact on individuals and larger social systems. Power is an entity or individual's ability to control or direct others, while authority is influence that is predicated on perceived legitimacy. ... Authority is inherited, but power is seized by military force.

Power and Authority | Introduction to Sociology

courses.lumenlearning.com

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[DCAllAfrican]

Thanks.

I won't reinvent the wheel so if you feel like reading examples here, they are available for your viewing.

It also speaks on how ridiculous of a concept this sounds like to most of us. (Black men).

If you want to discuss after reading, we can.

Black Male Privilege?

A new look at the cross section of race and empowerment as it relates to black men has spelled out a new theory that one sociologist dubs "black male privilege." Host Michel Martin speaks with L'Heureux Lewis, assistant professor of sociology at the City University of New York, for more on why...

www.npr.org

 

[tay1]

There were plenty of examples listed in the Very SMart Brothas article. Whether or not you agree with them is what this boils down to.

Did you read the full article?

Is that the article titled “black men are the white men of black people” or something like that?

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Is that the article titled “black men are the white men of black people” or something like that?

Yes that article with the title that automatically turns people off before reading.

Again, I get it sounds ridiculous. This is coming from someone that has some said wildly misogynist things on this chatline over my 20 years here.

But I legit find nothing I can disgree with in that article.

 

[tay1]

Yes that article with the title that automatically turns people off before reading.

Again, I get it sounds ridiculous. This is coming from someone that has some said wildly misogynist things on this chatline over my 20 years here.

But I legit find nothing I can disgree with in that article.

Read it multiple times and issa no for me. I’ll read it on my break to see if an older me can dissect it with a new lense.

 

[Present]

Thanks.

I won't reinvent the wheel so if you feel like reading examples here, they are available for your viewing.

It also speaks on how ridiculous of a concept this sounds like to most of us. (Black men).

If you want to discuss after reading, we can.

Black Male Privilege?

A new look at the cross section of race and empowerment as it relates to black men has spelled out a new theory that one sociologist dubs "black male privilege." Host Michel Martin speaks with L'Heureux Lewis, assistant professor of sociology at the City University of New York, for more on why...

www.npr.org

Nah Fam.

Not opinions. Not "I feel like". Not "One time in band camp"

Evidence or examples so we can better understand because that's a rather large claim to make about Black Men.

Even when the reporter asks for evidence this is what she said...


MARTIN: Give an example.

Prof. LEWIS: In particular, if we think about the narrative of mass incarceration, we think about the ways in which black men and black boys have been locked up at increasing rates since the 1980s. While this is true, the fastest growing incarceration rate is particularly among black and Latino women. And because we havent thought seriously about whats happening with black girls and Latino girls, we tend to make the issue of incarceration solely male, and we miss the different ways in which we need to be intervening not just for our young boys, but also our young girls.

MARTIN: Well, give another example then, because I think people would say focusing on those who are even worse off than you doesnt mean youre well off.

Prof. LEWIS: Well, the first time I really came to think about black male privilege was when I was a freshman at Morehouse College. And at that point, there was actually an incident of sexual assault between a Morehouse student and a Spelman student. And what I found quickly were that black men were -instead of actually talking seriously about issues of sexual assault, which are very common in our community, it became a discussion about the ways in which black men become vilified. So, what happens is we often look at issues like domestic violence or sexual assault, and instead of actually dealing with those who are survivors or the victims of it, predominantly African-American women, we re-center it on black men.

MARTIN: Whats driving this, in your view? Is it their idea that group solidarity is so important in the African-American community, somehow the community has made a decision that when theres an issue involving black men and black women that black men are to be favored?

Prof. LEWIS: I think youve unfortunately identified one of the central issues of black male privilege. So often, black men are used to being under attacked that when it comes to being accountable for the actions we may have, we quickly say, well, I couldnt possibly be doing anything wrong. Look at all the ways in which Im oppressed. Look at all the ways in which Im at the bottom of the barrel. What that does is rob us of an opportunity to actually build stronger community and it robs black men of a chance to actually take hold of the actions that they have so that we can empower the community.

So Black Men Oppress Black Women via Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault in the US?

Word?

I got the FBI crime statistics numbers if anyone wants them.

Spoiler:

Black men are not en-masse beating and raping Black women.

That title goes to drum roll.....

White men.

Also -

Yes indeed there are natural "privileges" to being a man.

Yes indeed there are natural "privileges" to being a woman.

There are pros and cons to both.

That's how the Universe works.

Its when we get to White / Black that the issues arise because those are not a part of natural order.

 

[tay1]

Yeah I’m still not rocking with that article as a whole . The physical threat that we pose to women has always and will be valid but there were other things stated that were nearly opinion that I don’t agree with. At the end of the day, intersectionality is valid and it goes both ways. There are issues that women have to deal with that we don’t and there are issues that we deal with that they don’t . My bottom line is that sexism does place an additional burden on black women in society but I’m not rocking in us being considered oppressors . You can’t have oppression without power. And we sure don’t have power .

 

[finessence]

Yeah I’m still not rocking with that article as a whole . The physical threat that we pose to women has always and will be valid but there were other things stated that were nearly opinion that I don’t agree with. At the end of the day, intersectionality is valid and it goes both ways. There are issues that women have to deal with that we don’t and there are issues that we deal with that they don’t . My bottom line is that sexism does place an additional burden on black women in society but I’m not rocking in us being considered oppressors . You can’t have oppression without power. And we sure don’t have power .

We live in a SEX crazed society. Point blank. And who contributes to it? Both MEN and WOMEN of allllllll races.

In 2021, if people don’t realize that, then that’s naive. The entire fabric of our society is based of sex. People are obsessed with sex and the male/female anatomy but time and time again, you got these fake people (like dude who wrote the article) trying to push a narrative. Social Media itself is basically soft core porn. 80% of social media topics are based on sex.

People need to stop lying to themselves and going against their primal urges. That’s my biggest issue with modern society. Damn near everyone is obsessed about sex and sexual imagery. Call me a liar...

 

[KHUFU]

I am reading these responses, and I find them both interesting and funny. It is said that people do not recognize oppression, until it happens to them. For many Black men since we cannot be women, we tend to get a closer look at the oppression that women face, once we have are own daughters. This is the ONLY way that many Black men will understand how and why Black men can and do, oppress Black women. At times it is indeed through a lack of awareness though.

Dudes do not know that they are actually doing it, because they think that they have a right to these women, entitled to them. The fact that many dudes think that they can tell a Black woman how to dress, how to wear her hair, or even expecting a response after being given an unsolicited compliment, speaks to how these brothers oppress women.

Then when it gets out of hand, the sister responds in fear. Dudes feel insulted, like this punk @#$%^&*(er

 

[KHUFU]

Nah Fam.

Not opinions. Not "I feel like". Not "One time in band camp"

Evidence or examples so we can better understand because that's a rather large claim to make about Black Men.

Even when the reporter asks for evidence this is what she said...


MARTIN: Give an example.

Prof. LEWIS: In particular, if we think about the narrative of mass incarceration, we think about the ways in which black men and black boys have been locked up at increasing rates since the 1980s. While this is true, the fastest growing incarceration rate is particularly among black and Latino women. And because we havent thought seriously about whats happening with black girls and Latino girls, we tend to make the issue of incarceration solely male, and we miss the different ways in which we need to be intervening not just for our young boys, but also our young girls.

MARTIN: Well, give another example then, because I think people would say focusing on those who are even worse off than you doesnt mean youre well off.

Prof. LEWIS: Well, the first time I really came to think about black male privilege was when I was a freshman at Morehouse College. And at that point, there was actually an incident of sexual assault between a Morehouse student and a Spelman student. And what I found quickly were that black men were -instead of actually talking seriously about issues of sexual assault, which are very common in our community, it became a discussion about the ways in which black men become vilified. So, what happens is we often look at issues like domestic violence or sexual assault, and instead of actually dealing with those who are survivors or the victims of it, predominantly African-American women, we re-center it on black men.

MARTIN: Whats driving this, in your view? Is it their idea that group solidarity is so important in the African-American community, somehow the community has made a decision that when theres an issue involving black men and black women that black men are to be favored?

Prof. LEWIS: I think youve unfortunately identified one of the central issues of black male privilege. So often, black men are used to being under attacked that when it comes to being accountable for the actions we may have, we quickly say, well, I couldnt possibly be doing anything wrong. Look at all the ways in which Im oppressed. Look at all the ways in which Im at the bottom of the barrel. What that does is rob us of an opportunity to actually build stronger community and it robs black men of a chance to actually take hold of the actions that they have so that we can empower the community.

So Black Men Oppress Black Women via Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault in the US?

Word?

I got the FBI crime statistics numbers if anyone wants them.

Spoiler:

Black men are not en-masse beating and raping Black women.

That title goes to drum roll.....

White men.

Also -

Yes indeed there are natural "privileges" to being a man.

Yes indeed there are natural "privileges" to being a woman.

There are pros and cons to both.

That's how the Universe works.

Its when we get to White / Black that the issues arise because those are not a part of natural order.

It happens, as it is under reported, especially right now.
Exclusive: Woman Brutally Attacked At Harlem Liquor Store Says Suspect Tried To Bite Her Eye Out: ‘That’s An Animal. That’s Not A Person’

She says it happened after she turned down one man’s offer to pay for her.

Surveillance video shows a group outside the liquor store as a woman walks in alone just before 6 p.m. Monday.

The 31-year-old mother says she was buying a bottle of wine after work when two men walked into the shop on West 128th Street and St. Nicholas Avenue. She says a man in a red parka offered to pay.

“I politely declined, and I said no thank you, but thank you, I can pay for it myself. And I got ready to walk out. Before I walk out he basically said that he felt like I thought I was better than them,” the woman told Rozner.

The men followed her out, she says asking what did she want to do about it.

“I just asked him, I said, ‘you’re seriously trying to fight me? I’m trying to go about my business,'” she said.

She says they chased her across the street, kicking her, and one man actually bit her forehead, leaving a deep wound. She says he tried to bite her eye out. Others kicked her.

Exclusive: Woman Brutally Attacked At Harlem Liquor Store Says Suspect Tried To Bite Her Eye Out: 'That's An Animal. That's Not A Person'

She says it happened after she turned down one man's offer to pay for her.

newyork.cbslocal.com

 

[tay1]

I just don’t see what was listed as oppression. Perhaps I don’t know what the definition of oppression is.

 

[KHUFU]

I’m open to being wrong. Perhaps I just don’t know what the definition of oppression is.

Whether it is acknowledged or not, the use of intimidation is indeed a form of oppression.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Probably one of the better ones. Both "behaved" thelselves as adults.

Fine as hell man.

 

[finessence]

I am reading these responses, and I find them both interesting and funny. It is said that people do not recognize oppression, until it happens to them. For many Black men since we cannot be women, we tend to get a closer look at the oppression that women face, once we have are own daughters. This is the ONLY way that many Black men will understand how and why Black men can and do, oppress Black women. At times it is indeed through a lack of awareness though.

Dudes do not know that they are actually doing it, because they think that they have a right to these women, entitled to them. The fact that many dudes think that they can tell a Black woman how to dress, how to wear her hair, or even expecting a response after being given an unsolicited compliment, speaks to how these brothers oppress women.

Then when it gets out of hand, the sister responds in fear. Dudes feel insulted, like this punk @#$%^&*(er

You cannot put all us in this category. No means no. These crab dudes who can’t handle rejection. That’s not EVERY dude.

 

[tomdiginson]

tomdiginson
Yes, white women are higher on the Social Credit totem pole than Black men. Again, that isn't the point/argument.

I think the point of that article and the quote from Hooks is to make black men aware of their actions in holding up patriarchy the same way we want white folks to be aware of ways in which they uphold white supremacy.

Nothing more.
Nothing less.

I still don't believe it. They are trying to paint it as we are out here oppressing black women and beating them down. If these individuals want to paint the picture that black men overall are complicit in the oppression of the black women. I don't know any black men personally that are out here terrorizing any women.

It happens, as it is under reported, especially right now.
Exclusive: Woman Brutally Attacked At Harlem Liquor Store Says Suspect Tried To Bite Her Eye Out: ‘That’s An Animal. That’s Not A Person’

She says it happened after she turned down one man’s offer to pay for her.

Surveillance video shows a group outside the liquor store as a woman walks in alone just before 6 p.m. Monday.

The 31-year-old mother says she was buying a bottle of wine after work when two men walked into the shop on West 128th Street and St. Nicholas Avenue. She says a man in a red parka offered to pay.

“I politely declined, and I said no thank you, but thank you, I can pay for it myself. And I got ready to walk out. Before I walk out he basically said that he felt like I thought I was better than them,” the woman told Rozner.

The men followed her out, she says asking what did she want to do about it.

“I just asked him, I said, ‘you’re seriously trying to fight me? I’m trying to go about my business,'” she said.

She says they chased her across the street, kicking her, and one man actually bit her forehead, leaving a deep wound. She says he tried to bite her eye out. Others kicked her.

Exclusive: Woman Brutally Attacked At Harlem Liquor Store Says Suspect Tried To Bite Her Eye Out: 'That's An Animal. That's Not A Person'

She says it happened after she turned down one man's offer to pay for her.

newyork.cbslocal.com

They arrested one of the fools involved. He and his girl were complicit. They only found out about him cause he whooped on his girl a couple days later.. But apparently he is well known woman beater.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I still don't believe it. They are trying to paint it as we are out here oppressing black women and beating them down. If these individuals want to paint the picture that black men overall are complicit in the oppression of the black women. I don't know any black men personally that are out here terrorizing any women.

I guess we can agree to disagree on that because I didn't take that from the article.

I don't believe anyone is trying to paint the picture that most/all Black men are the ones committing these physically violent acts on black women. We know that isn't the case.

 

[deuce king]

I don’t think folks seem to understand the difference between “domestic violence” and that dreaded word “oppression”. Even if folks want to go with the theme that domestic violence is a form of oppression, we have to realize that men are victims of domestic violence from females also. I guess that would make men the victims of that dreaded word...............”oppression”, making men feel oppressed. If we want to talk about things that are under reported men being the victims of domestic violence/oppression whatever you want to call is something that if often overlooked and taken lightly by society as a whole. If we talk about that however that wouldn’t fit into a certain agenda that is unfortunately being pushed in here.

 

[frankmatthews]

Hurt people, hurt people seems like an appropriate conclusion.

If black men oppress black women, IF, I would be more likely to assume its a result of hundreds of years of white oppression against the black community. We know that white folks have, and continue to seek the destruction of the black family and black community in general.

OR

If we're gonna throw the word oppression around, all men oppress all women and its not necessarily a black man vs. a black woman thing.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

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She was Cool.

 

[tomdiginson]

I guess we can agree to disagree on that because I didn't take that from the article.

I don't believe anyone is trying to paint the picture that most/all Black men are the ones committing these physically violent acts on black women. We know that isn't the case.

It's not just the physical I'm referencing. For example, we know that it is established that women with the same skill set and knowledge can be underpaid compared to their male counterparts, but these individuals are talking as if black men are in positions to govern that. As if we have the power systematically to dictate that black women be underpaid. We may benefit from the patriarchy in the sense that because we are men and that means we may make a higher wage just off of that alone (and this depends on varying factors as well), but black men are also short changed compared to other men from other demographics. But what these individuals seem to be arguing is who is getting scammed the most. The point still remains, that black people as a whole are still getting scammed. What are they suggesting to remedy the situation? For black women to make as much as black men? That's not going to solve the overall problem, cause we are still both getting short changed. On top of that, black women are more educated and in higher positions and spaces than Black men, so how are black men fighting them down and oppressing them within these spaces that the black women occupy, when we black men aren't even there? Hell, Black Women are closing the wage gap between them and black men (Which is lovely in the sense that they making the same as their male counter parts in terms of demographics). Once they do, if not already, are we as black men still somehow responsible for other demographics earning more than them?

 

[aquatic barefoot]

Her: Have you seen Rhianna without Makeup?
KS: Nah, I see YOU!

This woman was funny man.

That laugh @ 6:35

Dead.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

This was the first ARGUMENT I have seen so far.

@ “Modern women want the power of men - the privilege of women and the accountability of children!”

@ Him and his damn, "Can women survive" question. He spends too much time on them.

@ Her response to men physically attacking women

He might have been annoyed by her.

KHUFU Would like this one.

 

[KHUFU]

This was the first ARGUMENT I have seen so far.

@ “Modern women want the power of men - the privilege of women and the accountability of children!”

@ Him and his damn, "Can women survive" question. He spends too much time on them.

@ Her response to men physically attacking women

He might have been annoyed by her.

KHUFU Would like this one.

Name 5 great female inventors.
There was a time that White supremacy, would not allow you to know that Black people invented anything at all.

Patriarchy does not want women to know that there was a time that men, did NOT exist! When men finally came along, the pieces were already on the board!

 

[Based Jesus]

If we're gonna throw the word oppression around, all men oppress all women and its not necessarily a black man vs. a black woman thing.

Exactly but due to proximity we are the primary male antagonizers for most black women and it's the same for every other race. Acknowledging that shouldn't hurt us as men.

Now where I think a lot of black women go wrong is where they talk about black men and the patriarchy as if black men invented the system and then champion the idea of only dating other races. I don't mind if you want to **** a white man, that's none of my business, but I take umbrage to you bringing down black men and then framing white men as some sort of savior from black male oppression when THEY are the primary oppressors of every demographic and created modern patriarchy AND racism. Like ***** you got **** backwards.

 

[6pac]

I hate when folks bring up male patriarchy to anyone born after 1985

how has a male born in the 90’s who just recently started paying rent/barely out they moms house (let alone in any position of real power) contributed to “da patriarchy”