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I'll just say personally as someone who's subject to discrimination, my energy is better used towards lessening that than defending discrimination towards another group.
Should transgender individuals be allowed to serve in the military?.
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You're becoming a bore to talk to. I didn't serve, deal with it. It's not going to stop myself or others from chiming in. It's funny though, you served yet you keep on missing the bigger picture here.
You say there's policies in place to discourage harassment but really it's all lip service. The fact is there is a patriarchal climate in the military and that's not something many want to change.
You're not doing anyone any favors by banning them from serving. You either want to see inclusiveness or you're just part of the problem. What are you doing to change the climate for gay and trans people in the military?
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Finally someone understands what I mean
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WH can't even get their story straight on why this is the new policy....
Trump mentioned "medical burdens", then square face SHS tells the press it's because of "military readiness" (whatever the hell that means). At first, I could kinda sorta understand the medical argument -- tax payers spending money on people to get cosmetic surgery because they feeling some kind of way. BUT..... then I find out how much the military is spending on viagra. We really out here paying for dudes to get a hard-on.
Trump mentioned "medical burdens", then square face SHS tells the press it's because of "military readiness" (whatever the hell that means). At first, I could kinda sorta understand the medical argument -- tax payers spending money on people to get cosmetic surgery because they feeling some kind of way. BUT..... then I find out how much the military is spending on viagra. We really out here paying for dudes to get a hard-on.
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This the only thing me and trumpito can agree on.
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lol I'm sorry but ideologically speaking, if you agree with him on this I find it really hard to believe there's nothing else you agree with him on.
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all i said you dont know what you are talking about since you never served. people have no idea what it is like to wear the uniform until they do. This is a debate not a argument.
trying to change discrimination in the military is like trying to change institutional racism or racism in general you cant change how people feel towards one another everyone is entitled to how they feel just like how you feel towards the military.
i understand discriminating is wrong in general but you also have to take in consideration of the military mental stability and if the military is ready for trans when the harrasment and suicide rate is already high. I already stated i dont care if they serve just dont bend the rules for them.
Im not doing anything to change the climate in the military i did my time.
What are you doing to help change how our military is being abused and misused?
and look at little ol get back riding all your post he gon run out of likes soon
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We should allow any physically capable willing individual into the military, we shouldn't prelabel these individuals prior
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and look at little ol get back riding all your post he gon run out of likes soon
I mean...I strongly agree with everything he's saying. So I click "like." Isn't that what the system is intended for? If it's not please advise...
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people saying trans people should not be allowed in because they won't be combat ready...based on what though? The military isn't high level of sports where talent matters. You train, you get a gun, you fight. Trained soldiers die everyday b. These aren't the best of the best, these are people that signed up and stuck with it. They aren't plucked from the system at an early age and turned into super soldiers. They were regular people that signed up, probably in an elementary school gym during a job fair. To tell people that they cannot enlist, whether because of sexual orientation or gender identity is disgusting. You fail the physical, you fail the physical, but its not some insurmountable task. People can absolutely do it if they have the will and determination and ability. Regardless of the clothes they put on in their free time, when they approach the front line, everyone is wearing camouflage, so you can't see them anyway.
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all i said you dont know what you are talking about since you never served. people have no idea what it is like to wear the uniform until they do. This is a debate not a argument.
trying to change discrimination in the military is like trying to change institutional racism or racism in general you cant change how people feel towards one another everyone is entitled to how they feel just like how you feel towards the military.
i understand discriminating is wrong in general but you also have to take in consideration of the military mental stability and if the military is ready for trans when the harrasment and suicide rate is already high. I already stated i dont care if they serve just dont bend the rules for them.
Im not doing anything to change the climate in the military i did my time.
What are you doing to help change how our military is being abused and misused?
and look at little ol get back riding all your post he gon run out of likes soon
Right still waiting for what relevance having served or not served has to do with this debate. Don't want to know what it feels like wearing that uniform.
I can see however the implications and consequences of our nation's military engagements fine from my vantage point. Hasn't been a good look.
What am I doing to change how our military is being misused? Well not joining for one. Keeping as many dollars as I can from foundations and corporations that have a vested interest in seeing protracted warfare.
Why are you worried about people liking my posts? You have some sort of complex dude. You need to get those issues sorted out.
Sorry I'm not sorry you're not allowed to have your boys club without anyone else chiming in. Again, deal with it. Not my problem and I don't care how you feel about it.
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Right, this. He keeps harping about how only X% of women can pass the physical fitness reqs and therefore transpeople should be excluded because it's hard and people don't know what it's like or something along those lines.
I can't find a discernible point in all of his incoherent rambling and butt hurt.
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think of it like this
when blacks couldnt go to white schools but when they started allowing them to go all the white kids where harassing them and discriminating against them etc. That white school was not mentally stable to start allowing black folks in their schools it destabilized the school.
destabilizing a mission can result in death and we all know some people cant put there beliefs behind their actions.
This has nothing to do with it being a boys club. I already told you numerous times that gays already are serving.
son dude liking your post was a joke hence the laughing emoji. Why are you taking me so serious? Im glad you dont care how i feel this is a anonymous message board
i dont care if you chime in the reason why im responding to your post is this is a debate im not making this as personal as you are.
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all i said you dont know what you are talking about since you never served. people have no idea what it is like to wear the uniform until they do. This is a debate not a argument.
trying to change discrimination in the military is like trying to change institutional racism or racism in general you cant change how people feel towards one another everyone is entitled to how they feel just like how you feel towards the military.
i understand discriminating is wrong in general but you also have to take in consideration of the military mental stability and if the military is ready for trans when the harrasment and suicide rate is already high. I already stated i dont care if they serve just dont bend the rules for them.::
Im not doing anything to change the climate in the military i did my time.
What are you doing to help change how our military is being abused and misused?
and look at little ol get back riding all your post he gon run out of likes soon
People are absolutely entitled to how they feel...however...they are NOT entitled to how they act. Especially if it is in a way that infringes on the rights and freedoms of another. That is not okay and that is not how it works. You can freely feel however you want and I hope you take advantage of that, but if you can't relate to people that may be different than you, whether they're black; white; brown; red; purple; pink; man; woman; ambiguous; etc. as one human being to another, keep that **** to yourself. Global warming has given us enough hot air, we don't need anybody else bloviating more into the atmosphere.
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Why are you so supportive of a military that you're admitting is narrow-minded AF.
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think of it like this
when blacks couldnt go to white schools but when they started allowing them to go all the white kids where harassing them and discriminating against them etc. That white school was not mentally stable to start allowing black folks in their schools it destabilized the school.
destabilizing a mission can result in death and we all know some people cant put there beliefs behind their actions.
This has nothing to do with it being a boys club. I already told you numerous times that gays already are serving.
son dude liking your post was a joke hence the laughing emoji. Why are you taking me so serious? Im glad you dont care how i feel this is a anonymous message board
i dont care if you chime in the reason why im responding to your post is this is a debate im not making this as personal as you are.
Again, what ****ing mission man?? There's only one mission, operation millitary industrial complex. Stop it.
That was a terrible analogy, not apt at all.
Not taking it personally? Sure you're not. Mister "you didn't serve so you don't know what it's like waaaaaah".
Enjoy your boys club.
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think of it like this
when blacks couldnt go to white schools but when they started allowing them to go all the white kids where harassing them and discriminating against them etc. That white school was not mentally stable to start allowing black folks in their schools it destabilized the school.
destabilizing a mission can result in death and we all know some people cant put there beliefs behind their actions.
This has nothing to do with it being a boys club. I already told you numerous times that gays already are serving.
son dude liking your post was a joke hence the laughing emoji. Why are you taking me so serious? Im glad you dont care how i feel this is a anonymous message board
i dont care if you chime in the reason why im responding to your post is this is a debate im not making this as personal as you are.
so should we have just stayed with segregated, by your estimate, and waited it out until the white communities were 'mentally stable'? God forbid a little change for the betterment of society makes white people uncomfortable. Oh heavens no.
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Exactly. People see there's issues with these kinds of constructs and institutions but still willfully join up.
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thats a terrible example b. So by this logic, desegregation of schools is a bad thing because you wouldn't want African american children exposed to racism because white Americans aren't ready for black people to be in the same schools as white children? They shouldn't be given the same opportunities as white children? That's just a completely terrible example and shows more than anything that the problem stems from systematic issues that must be challenged in order for such nonsense like what Trump is saying to not happen and change the environment within the military to rid it of sexist, homophobic, and racist nature. I understand having reservations to trans people serving in combat roles but since Trump made no distinction, it is sad to see some of the people who have served to say that he is doing them a "favor" by not letting them join because of their gender because people aren't comfortable with trans people. How is this in anyway helping trans people, when you are taking away a right that they have like all other Americans. That isn't how you solve a problem, that's how you make it worse.think of it like this
when blacks couldnt go to white schools but when they started allowing them to go all the white kids where harassing them and discriminating against them etc. That white school was not mentally stable to start allowing black folks in their schools it destabilized the school.
destabilizing a mission can result in death and we all know some people cant put there beliefs behind their actions.
This has nothing to do with it being a boys club. I already told you numerous times that gays already are serving.
son dude liking your post was a joke hence the laughing emoji. Why are you taking me so serious? Im glad you dont care how i feel this is a anonymous message board
i dont care if you chime in the reason why im responding to your post is this is a debate im not making this as personal as you are.
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Boom.
This is the mentality that's seems to be so pervasive in military circles too.
It's disgusting honestly. The way so many rationalize all the ****ed up practices policies and engagements. People can hamster anything into justifications.
It's so ****ed and it's scary how many people think like this.
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at this trash example. Damn, you should've stayed in high school a few extra years instead of joining the military.I already know what you're about with this garbage "blacks" example
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i dont think yall are seeing my point. I was elaborating off of what another NTer was trying to say. I already said multiple times i dont care if they serve and there is no point in time when its right to allow them to join.
People are entitled to how they act or what they say this is a free country. Not to say what they do dont come with consequences hence the high suicide and harassment rate already
Until you serve heathen you wont understand that was not a personal jab anyone in the military would tell you the same.
People are entitled to how they act or what they say this is a free country. Not to say what they do dont come with consequences hence the high suicide and harassment rate already
Until you serve heathen you wont understand that was not a personal jab anyone in the military would tell you the same.
John Wick
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I already know what you're about with this garbage "blacks" example
you have a better example to add to this debate or trash replies?
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I don't debate with people who imply that black kids were better off not going to school because their white classmates were racist inbred pigs. Carry on with your nonsense
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you keep talking about high harassment and suicide rates in the army but you aren't addressing the problem that the military and government do a terrible job at trying to solve to this issue. Instead, your retort is that trans people are being done a solid by Trump to not allow them to serve because of these issues but this will only add to discrimination of trans people and make it harder for them to enlist. Again this isn't solving the problem of high suicide rates and harassments but adding to it
