Who would’ve thought Seinfeld is more woke than Chris Rock

[tay1]

He was right about that and this aint **** to talk about close thread

And what was he right about?

 

[freeze]

Don't be fooled.

http://time.com/5911/jerry-seinfeld-diversity/
https://www.salon.com/2015/06/11/je...p_what_his_anti_p_c_tirades_are_really_about/
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/06/jerry-seinfeld-roseanne-barr-abc-firing-overkill-1201978933/#!
https://observer.com/1998/03/seinfe...ive-ally-mcshutupalready-a-decadent-sag-show/

Spoiler: Ramon the Pool Boy

Thursday, March 5

Did you happen to catch that Seinfeld episode this season in which a young performance artist, played by Kathy Griffin, does a monologue calling Jerry Seinfeld “the devil”? Well, it looks like Obie Award-winning actor Danny Hoch, 27, was the basis for that one. He’ll be doing a solo show starting March 30 at Performance Space 122, directed by Jo (“Don’t Call Me Mrs. Eric Bogosian”) Bonney, and in it he does a long monologue calling Jerry Seinfeld “the enemy.” Mr. Hoch performed the Seinfeld-as-enemy bit in Los Angeles in November of last year and believes that word got back to the target of his rant, leading to the Kathy Griffin spot.…

Now why would Mr. Hoch hate America’s Beloved Entertainer? He said it goes back to the time when he couldn’t bring himself to play the part of a Latin pool boy in the stereotyped manner demanded by the Seinfeld star. It was a show from 1995 that involved Jerry and Newman swimming at a health club. Mr. Hoch was supposed to play an unsavory pool boy with a heavy Spanish accent; at the end of the episode, the pool boy has drowned, and neither Jerry nor Newman is willing to give him mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.…

Mr. Hoch’s experience gives a nice glimpse of how the show’s cast, including Julia Louis-Dreyfuss, Jason Alexander, Michael Richards and its ex-head writer, Larry David, work together in a minor backstage crisis.…

“I normally don’t do sitcoms because they really have no substance and are about passivity rather than activity,” said Mr. Hoch, beginning to explain why he originally took the gig, “but I had just gotten back from Cuba, and I was disoriented. I had never watched a whole episode, but my honest logic was that if this is the most watched thing on TV, and if I’m on it, more people will come see my theater. When I read the script, I saw what the part could possibly be, and so I called up and said, ‘This isn’t your stereotypical Spanish-speaking pool guy, is it?’-because otherwise, I wasn’t getting on the plane. And they said, ‘Not at all, it can be whoever you want to be.’ But when I got there, I found out it was the stupid one-dimensional role that I didn’t want to do.…

“During the table read-through, I did the part as a higher-strung version of me. And everyone laughed, and I think they were maybe embarrassed to ask me to do it in a Spanish accent with, like, 30 people sitting around. Once you finish the read-through, you get up and block it, and then it was just me and Jerry and Jason and Julia and Michael and the director, and I think they felt like they could ask me then. It’s what they had in their mind, but it came as a surprise to me. When they asked me, I thought, ‘Aaaah, I should have followed my instincts.’ …

“We got into a discussion, which got into an argument. Jerry and the director Andy [Ackerman] came up to me, and they were like, ‘Why not?’ And I was like, ‘The role is stupid and it’s a clown and I have no problem doing it and it’s funny, but I can’t do the Spanish accent because it’s one-dimensional.’ I said, ‘Why does it have to be in Spanish? Why can’t it be Israeli?’ And Jerry said, ‘Because it’s funnier that way.’ Which is when it became obvious to me that there was nowhere else to go with the discussion. So he called Larry David on his cell phone, and 10 minutes later he came down and said, ‘Why did you fly all the way across the continent for this? It’s just a half-hour comedy show, what’s the big deal?’ And I said, ‘It’s a big deal to me because there’s too many friends of mine who are highly trained actors that are Cuban and Puerto Rican and Dominican, and all they get asked to do are one-dimensional roles and here I am, not even Latino, and you’re asking me to play a clown and I can’t.’ …

“Everyone was laughing when I was doing it as me, but it seemed to be a Jerry issue-he really believed it was funnier in a Spanish accent. And the sad thing is, maybe it would have been funnier to people in a Spanish accent. And what does that say about the American people? I don’t do the work that I do to make fun of the people that I play, but to make fun of the audience. They tried to give me a guilt trip like ‘You’re just a kid from New York and we’re Seinfeld ,’ and, basically, they were like, ‘You’re ruining our lunch.’ …

“Jason and Julia were really cool about it. They were very supportive, and they both said, ‘If that’s what your instincts tell you to do, then you shouldn’t do it.’ But Michael Richards was like, ‘Just do it or else they’re going to replace you.’ And I was like, ‘Who gives a ****! My life doesn’t revolve around this ****!’ I think Jerry thought I was challenging his position, like who the hell am I to question him. It was almost as if he was doing me a favor because every actor in the world wants to be on Seinfeld . But not me. So the next thing I knew, I got back to the hotel and they said the rehearsal the next day was postponed while they found someone else, and then they told me I could fly home as soon as I liked. And I never got paid for the day’s work.” …

Which is so incredibly interesting because I actually watched that exact episode 4 days ago. The pool boy. And they went in a completely different direction. Just a random white dude that ended up being really clingy to Jerry and Jerry cuts him off as a friend and dude thinks it's because he's a lowly pool guy. He ends up drowning at the enend and Jerry and Newman both avoid giving him CPR. Idk how making him Spanish and stereotypical would've altered the vibe.

 

[Deleted member 42060]

Jerry thought rosanne the character and rosanne barr were separate distinct personalities. Well there were some similarities.

 

[kingsrborn]

Even though it’s old, ive never seen that clip before. I never knew that Chris loved biscuits, lol. I’ve noticed that the 18-35 year olds let their friends of other ethnicities say the N word without any thought. I’ve seen it in public a lot. I don’t get upset, I just move around.

But a large percentage of young African Americans do let their White and Hispanics friends say it with no repercussions. It doesn’t surprise me because we’re living in different times, it’s not an excuse, I just choose not to be around it, because I’ll end up in jail repeatedly. I’m more surprised that Chris was ok with being around people with mindset. I understand that people change when they make more money, but where’s your dignity at?

The stories I’ve heard from 70-90 year old Black people about what happened in the past, taught me a lot about the conditions of what my people been through. It wasn’t that long ago when Blacks where getting hung on trees, and killed simply because of the color of their skin. It’s crazy how alot of people have this get over attitude today, like it never happened. It’s not like it happened 10 million years ago, and now every race is on a equal playing field educationally, financially, and systematically. Even then you can’t forget what happened.

 

[eracism]

Patrice O'Neal let Louis rock with it too. Look up "origin of n-word Patrice Louis" on YouTube.

 

[maq25060]

Patrice O'Neal let Louis rock with it too. Look up "origin of n-word Patrice Louis" on YouTube.

Patrice (and rock) ain't a dummy. There is probably a greater dynamic (as rock was suggesting) that we'll never grasp or even agree with.

At the same time though, Patrice rocked with O&A and I can't help but keep my hand on the race card whenever I am exposed to their entertainment.

 

[nawghtyhare]

Patrice (and rock) ain't a dummy. There is probably a greater dynamic (as rock was suggesting) that we'll never grasp or even agree with.

at us not being able to grasp
"the greater dynamic" of someone saying the N word
get outta here with that

 

[Thats My Word]

What is this greater dynamic?

 

[Deleted member 42060]

they think some people get a pass for saying that word.

 

[freeze]

Patrice (and rock) ain't a dummy. There is probably a greater dynamic (as rock was suggesting) that we'll never grasp or even agree with.

At the same time though, Patrice rocked with O&A and I can't help but keep my hand on the race card whenever I am exposed to their entertainment.

Probably the worst post I've seen this fiscal period.

 

[|A-Man|]

The word woke needs to be retired

Yeah, I was expecting something different.

Not the tired who can say *****, who can say it in whose presence, etc. topic.

Nothing woke about it.

 

[maq25060]

Probably the worst post I've seen this fiscal period.

Fiscal year just started bruh.

But truly, there is something at play here with these two smart black men that allows them to not be offended by this white man saying that word. It could just be the comedy roots they share. It could be something else. But there is definitely something there.

And like I said, it's something we won't understand or even agree with.

 

[tay1]

The something is a lack of a backbone. You tryna make it something deep when it's not

 

[maq25060]

The something is a lack of a backbone. You tryna make it something deep when it's not

You could be right. I haven't listened to PON talk about anything andncome away with the feeling that he lacks backbone, but I dont actually know him, so possibly.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Are you insinuating they can't speak up in fears of being kicked out of the "group?"

Maybe they don't want to come off as sensitive or angry/militant?

Is that what this stuff we can't grasp

 

[|A-Man|]

People are circulating a clip that's been widely available since 2011.

When I think about it this entire thread could fit in that celebs old tweets thread.

Same concept.

All these dudes writing Rock off I wonder when they'll do the same for Chappelle.

What is this greater dynamic?

It's just about using it for jokes and at times in truthful/honest ways via humor instead of prioritizing the stigma and disrespect the word carries.

I don't concern myself with the pettiness of the issue cuz I know white ppl think the word ****** anyway.

 

[tay1]

Who is "writing Rock off"

And what has Chappelle done for us to write him off.

 

[SC kid]

 

[|A-Man|]

Who is "writing Rock off"

And what has Chappelle done for us to write him off.

Write off as in calling Rock a biscuit boy, saying they can't **** with him, and the thread title kinda tee'd the narrative off. Read the first two pages of some posters seeing this for the first time.

As far as Dave, just the whole being cool with certain white ppl saying ***** around him

 

[6 Rings G.O.A.T.]

 

[doublemesh96]

Sein I feld a real one. Hahahahahaaaaa

 

[thunderchunk69]

dumbest **** ive read in all my years on nt

Yeah, it's the 4 top comedians that are wrong about comedy, not the Twitter philosophers

 

[thunderchunk69]

Patrice O'Neal let Louis rock with it too. Look up "origin of n-word Patrice Louis" on YouTube.

A bonified classic.

I understand why someone would be uncomfortable hearing it in a mixed crowd, but hilarious none the less.

It seems like most of y'all
A) Don't understand comedy
B) Don't respect others having a sense of humor different than yours.

A) let me help you out, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comedy

3: a ludicrous or farcical event or series of events

Louis is comedically comfortable saying bizarre things with respect to serious topics. It's a comedic trope at this point...

https://www.standupcomedyclinic.com/powerful-tool-joke-writing/

juxtaposition is often used in comedy as two largely different things placed in the same place can result in funny and strange situations.

B) Louis has worked with and hired more black actors and actresses than Seinfeld, Gervais, and Larry David combined yet you'd think he's more racist than them? You think he has an agenda to systematically hold black people down? Your evidence is that he immaturely says a taboo word reminiscent of a naughty child?
It's funny we're PAST the age of calling people out for kinkshaming, but if you find something politically incorrect humorous it's almost as bad as literally going through with the punchline.

 

[thunderchunk69]

Repost #2

 

[MajinZuub]

Patrice (and rock) ain't a dummy. There is probably a greater dynamic (as rock was suggesting) that we'll never grasp or even agree with.

At the same time though, Patrice rocked with O&A and I can't help but keep my hand on the race card whenever I am exposed to their entertainment.

Patrice self admittedly found a lot of humor in racism. He let Anthony drop the word whenever he wanted