Apple Won.

[limitedretroog]

By the way, I still have yet to be convinced what the hell the advantages of this thing are over a laptop.

 

[cwrite78]

Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG

iPad as an e-reader = NO, NO, NO.

LCD screen for long periods of reading are bad for your eyes. FACT.

When it comes to reading, e-ink >>> LCD.

Overblown. We've all used computers or played video games for extended periods of time. Like the LCD screen deterred any of us from staring at the laptop or television for extended periods. NT is testament to this (I swear some of you guys live on this website. I'm not making a great case for myself either with this thread

)

Dude, extended periods of reading a "book" on an LCD screen is not the same as playing video games or browsing on a computer.

yeah, you can't compare sitting 5-6 feet away from a screen with huge pictures to sitting 1-2 feet away from a book with small/medium print.

which is why the notion ink adam will be the best of both worlds.

lcd and eink hybrid screen. plus it runs android


i #%!!*@# hate how $**$!* safari is at doing multiple quotes. it's either safari or yuku.

 

[limitedretroog]

Originally Posted by kien

theres something about NT and Wale.
theres something about NT and iPhones
theres something about NT and iPads



are people here just salty because their PCs got viruses and macs didnt? i dont get it.

I have a PC and posting on a Mac. But, I just believe Apple's products are vastly overrated and overhyped.

 

[boys noize]

Originally Posted by F A Y B A N

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Wait, does Apple having the name recognition factor and the ability to attract more developers than other platforms piss some of you guys off? I'm kind of getting that vibe. It seems you guys think there's something wrong with that. Like marketing isn't a huge part of any product?

If people are drawn to the product, regardless of reasoning, developers will create for it. That's just how it works. I'm sorry your non-descript 3rd party tablet that will join the party too late isn't going to get the same love.

 You sir, are an idiot.  So if you can convince the majority to support an inferior product, or something that works against their interests (getting the most out of their dollars spent), you should get props for that?  Marketing and the effects of have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product.  

You can't be serious

As a developer, wouldn't I benefit from creating for the most popular platform? You guys seem to have a gripe with the iPad not being able to play Flash, or multi-task (which will definitely be remedied), or whatever else reason but it's still an extremely capable device. Apple's multi-touch still trumps whatever touch system is out there. So yes, if more developers are developing for the iPad, which is a device driven by it's applications anyway, then yes it will be a better product overall.

 

[thehealthinspector]

Originally Posted by cartune

Again what does this do that my laptop doesnt do? They made another Iphone that wont let you call people and charge you $400 for it

Apple won

Whoever bought this loss to marketing

loss?  people need to stop with this "what does it do that..." stuff, why do people expect it to "revolutionize?"  we've all pretty much "agreed" that the iphone isnt a revolution in anything

honestly purchasing this for me would just be another reason not to get out of bed in the morning instead of walking to my laptop, everyone knows what this device is, its a "convenience" device, no more no less and anyone who buys it knows that, PCs can pretty much do everything macs can plus more but yet for somereason people still buy macs, note that the slate runs some form of ofwindows

maybe people out there want reader devices that can do more than display text, maybe some people actually want a bigger iphone, convenience, thats all this thing is, for internet access id rather carry an ipad around than a netbook or an iphone, whether at home, in stores, or even on the streets

people are saying "theres better alternatives out there" yeah but guess what, theyve said and continue to say that about ipod, macbook, iphone - none of those devices are the best at ANYTHING and it doesnt matter

only haters take losses, you think any ipod owner is salty you got a zune?  any macbook owner is salty you got some 

alienware laptop, or any iphone owner is salty youre rocking with htc?

convenience in an apple package, thats all it is - and some people want it

 

[cwrite78]

marketing has them by the balls. apple painted this pretty picture about their ecosystem and it's products. people bit into it, got used to it and are scared to try anything else. it doesn't make their products superior to anything out there.

 

[mronegative]

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by shatterkneesinc

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by recycledpaper

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by TacC4

How will the iPad revolutionize how we consume media? This thing going to download videos when I think about them? Or am I going to have to connect to the internet and find a non-flash source? Doesn't sound too revolutionary.


"iPad is only as good as the programs it can run..." You mean, like Flash?


I don't see why the iPad is so revolutionary and amazing. Its a big iPhone that can't make/receive calls and struggles to maintain a wifi signal. Congrats. Multi-touch? Wow, cool. Pinch-to-zoom is useless on a 10" screen. I don't see the iPad competing w/XBox and PS in the gaming realm. It does have a distinct advantage over the two in that users can play free games and w/downloads > DVDs it is easier for games to spread through social networks. But I only see that being relevant for things like Bejeweled or Farmville, neither of which I play or recognize as part of the "gaming industry."

It's revolutionary because of how it will be able to present media. The medical industry will definitely be able to put this device to use to better interact with patients. I could see it being used to help doctors visualize better the vast amount of information on all the different patients they have. I could see this device being used in education. The multi-touch could be used in programs to better help students understand the material they're learning. Imagine having this thing in your kitchen with all of your recipe books consolidated into this thin device. Just in this post we already see an example of how the reading experience could be enhanced. I could see this being used in the business world to share and display information.

Honestly, there are so many possibilities for this thing, it's amazing that people are only thinking of what is already available as opposed to what may be possible. If there's an economic incentive, I don't see why these things won't come to fruition. Like anything else, if people can make money off it, people will innovate and create. It's simple.

As for Flash, Apple believes HTML5 is the future. We'll see how that goes.

how the %!%! is the ipad gonna help with patient interaction?

the recipes already ARE available in the kitchen, it's called "bring your @%*%%+* laptop into the kitchen"

and finally, i guess businesses weren't sharing information BEFORE the launch of the ipad? oh !%!* i forgot, they got powerpoint, projectors, business meeting printouts, phones, COMPUTERS, LAPTOPS, CELL PHONES, LOLOLOL

I'm no developer but I can definitely see the iPad being used to help with patient interaction. Being able to visually display to your patient what exactly may be wrong with them is extremely valuable. Currently, all doctor's have to interact with their patients is through conversation (and we all know how translating medical jargon into layman's terms is already difficult) and pages of reading material. I don't see how this won't help. Honestly, this is one of the more obvious things that will be eventually developed.

As for the recipe bit, sure you can bring your laptop into the kitchen but the iPad is an e-reader and one of it's purposes is to replace physical books. Your knock on this point isn't on the iPad, it's on e-readers. I just pointed this out for the iPad because the iPad is in color and is currently the most fleshed out e-reader on the market as far as developmental potential goes. This thread is about innovating the reading experience

Come on. Imagine being able to sift through recipes with built in Youtube videos on the page or animated instructions? I mean, they already do the embedded youtube videos for the NYTimes app, I don't see why they couldn't do it for recipe e-books.

and finally, just because businesses were sharing information before doesn't mean there can't be innovative new ways for that information to be shared. Are you kidding me? A part of innovation is taking a preexisting thing and bettering it. Just because you can already docertain things doesn't mean you can't always do it better. VCR's -VD's. Pencil's -> Pen's. Desktops -> Laptops. Cassette's ->iPods. The list goes on.

You're a clown, buddy.

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by CWrite78

It won't be widely adopted or developed as the iPad. Why would developers of applications not work on a platform that is guaranteed to reach the maximum number of people?

It's like making the world's greatest video game console ever but no one make video games for it.

slates/tablets are coming out in 2 forms.

android (which is getting a huge boost in apps developed) or full OSes (windows 7). and you're saying it wont be as developed as the ipad? you can only do so much in apple's closed OS.

Will it be widely adopted as the iPad though? One of the reason why people love apple is because they are stupid. Apple makes things simple. Think about it. Even the name is simple.

Just like Android phones, there will probably be multiple manufacturers, different shapes and sizes, and no unity in the development for the platform, or marketing for that matter.

Android and Windows are also late to the party. Come back when they're widely available and used, then make your argument then.

 

[f a y b a n]

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by F A Y B A N

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Wait, does Apple having the name recognition factor and the ability to attract more developers than other platforms piss some of you guys off? I'm kind of getting that vibe. It seems you guys think there's something wrong with that. Like marketing isn't a huge part of any product?

If people are drawn to the product, regardless of reasoning, developers will create for it. That's just how it works. I'm sorry your non-descript 3rd party tablet that will join the party too late isn't going to get the same love.

 You sir, are an idiot.  So if you can convince the majority to support an inferior product, or something that works against their interests (getting the most out of their dollars spent), you should get props for that?  Marketing and the effects of have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the product.  

You can't be serious

As a developer, wouldn't I benefit from creating for the most popular platform? You guys seem to have a gripe with the iPad not being able to play Flash, or multi-task (which will definitely be remedied), or whatever else reason but it's still an extremely capable device. Apple's multi-touch still trumps whatever touch system is out there. So yes, if more developers are developing for the iPad, which is a device driven by it's applications anyway, then yes it will be a better product overall.

This is the same argument that drove people away from PCs, remember that.  That perceived notion of superiority via popularity created a backlash which lead people to branch out and try different platforms, to only come and realize that other, sometimes better, options exist.  
I just feel there is a huge gap between the rhetoric and reality of how great this thing really is, and that's what is off putting IMO.

 

[cwrite78]

late to what party? this niche market is just starting. and there have been windows tablets before the ipad.

since when it having multiple choices of tablets a bad thing? jesus, have we entered a world where having no choice in what hardware you use with what OS is considered okay? apple has truly suckered too many people. the only thing hurting android is the fragmentation of the OS, which google has stated it'll put a stop to it. but then again, apple has that same problem and people are okay with it.

stop calling this a revolutionary product. apple isn't revolutionized anything since the iphone, 3 years ago. and itunes.

 

[gunner thirtytwo]

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG

iPad as an e-reader = NO, NO, NO.
LCD screen for long periods of reading are bad for your eyes. FACT.
When it comes to reading, e-ink >>> LCD.

Overblown. We've all used computers or played video games for extended periods of time. Like the LCD screen deterred any of us from staring at the laptop or television for extended periods. NT is testament to this (I swear some of you guys live on this website. I'm not making a great case for myself either with this thread

)

No hate intended, but this is probably one of the most ridiculous things that I've heard in a long time (and I read NT a lot so that's saying something).  I sit in front of a computer for a living and I read books on a Kindle for hours on end and the difference between eye irritation is night and day between the two.  Reading on a backlit screen is absolutely horrible for your eyes vs. reading on e-ink or regular paper.  You're probably still young like a majority of NTers , but believe me - down the road your eyesight will thank you for not reading novels on this thing.
"Overblown"

...  You saying the above means 2 things: 1) you play a lot of video games 2) You don't read many books.

I literally lol'd.

 

[boys noize]

Originally Posted by CWrite78

late to what party? this niche market is just starting. and there have been windows tablets before the ipad.

since when it having multiple choices of tablets a bad thing? jesus, have we entered a world where having no choice in what hardware you use with what OS is considered okay? apple has truly suckered too many people. the only thing hurting android is the fragmentation of the OS, which google has stated it'll put a stop to it. but then again, apple has that same problem and people are okay with it.

Choice is great. It stimulates innovation. Can you at least admit that Apple products are usually better looking aesthetically? Maybe that doesn't matter to you but it definitely has a big part in selling a product. Backed up with Apple's simple to use operating systems that just work and you've got a product people gravitate towards.

As for windows tablets

windows operating systems are god awful. I would rather use android before I use windows ever again for anything.

 

[aizensousuke]

unecessary ? maybe


Awesome? definitely

 

[23mcpizzle23]

Originally Posted by Halftime718

 

[gunner thirtytwo]

I'm not gonna lie though... looks like a fun thing just to have and play around with, but I can't see it taking the place of (or complementing) my MBP or iphone...

 

[cwrite78]

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by CWrite78

late to what party? this niche market is just starting. and there have been windows tablets before the ipad.



since when it having multiple choices of tablets a bad thing? jesus, have we entered a world where having no choice in what hardware you use with what OS is considered okay? apple has truly suckered too many people. the only thing hurting android is the fragmentation of the OS, which google has stated it'll put a stop to it. but then again, apple has that same problem and people are okay with it.

Choice is great. It stimulates innovation. Can you at least admit that Apple products are usually better looking aesthetically? Maybe that doesn't matter to you but it definitely has a big part in selling a product. Backed up with Apple's simple to use operating systems that just work and you've got a product people gravitate towards.

As for windows tablets

windows operating systems are god awful. I would rather use android before I use windows ever again for anything.

nobody is arguing that apple doesn't make good looking products though. but looks will only make the tablet so good for so long.

 

[boys noize]

Originally Posted by Gunner ThirtyTwo

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG

iPad as an e-reader = NO, NO, NO.
LCD screen for long periods of reading are bad for your eyes. FACT.
When it comes to reading, e-ink >>> LCD.

Overblown. We've all used computers or played video games for extended periods of time. Like the LCD screen deterred any of us from staring at the laptop or television for extended periods. NT is testament to this (I swear some of you guys live on this website. I'm not making a great case for myself either with this thread

)

No hate intended, but this is probably one of the most ridiculous things that I've heard in a long time (and I read NT a lot so that's saying something).  I sit in front of a computer for a living and I read books on a Kindle for hours on end and the difference between eye irritation is night and day between the two.  Reading on a backlit screen is absolutely horrible for your eyes vs. reading on e-ink or regular paper.  You're probably still young like a majority of NTers , but believe me - down the road your eyesight will thank you for not reading novels on this thing.
"Overblown"

...  You saying the above means 2 things: 1) you play a lot of video games 2) You don't read many books.

I literally lol'd.

Touche. I didn't consider older heads.

For the record, I actually am a huge reader and I don't plan on ever quitting on actual paper books. I like that there is innovation in e-readers but I personally do prefer physical books. The day publishers stop printing books is going to be a sad day.

 

[cwrite78]

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by Gunner ThirtyTwo

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG

iPad as an e-reader = NO, NO, NO.

LCD screen for long periods of reading are bad for your eyes. FACT.

When it comes to reading, e-ink >>> LCD.

Overblown. We've all used computers or played video games for extended periods of time. Like the LCD screen deterred any of us from staring at the laptop or television for extended periods. NT is testament to this (I swear some of you guys live on this website. I'm not making a great case for myself either with this thread

)

No hate intended, but this is probably one of the most ridiculous things that I've heard in a long time (and I read NT a lot so that's saying something).  I sit in front of a computer for a living and I read books on a Kindle for hours on end and the difference between eye irritation is night and day between the two.  Reading on a backlit screen is absolutely horrible for your eyes vs. reading on e-ink or regular paper.  You're probably still young like a majority of NTers , but believe me - down the road your eyesight will thank you for not reading novels on this thing.
"Overblown"

...  You saying the above means 2 things: 1) you play a lot of video games 2) You don't read many books.

I literally lol'd.

Touche. I didn't consider older heads.

For the record, I actually am a huge reader and I don't plan on ever quitting on actual paper books. I like that there is innovation in e-readers but I personally do prefer physical books. The day publishers stop printing books is going to be a sad day.

i quit on paper books because of one huge problem... space. i started running out of space on to put my books. i picked up a kindle and i have my library with me wherever i go and such a thin device. i can purchase my books anywhere without going out of my way looking for a bookstore. on the odd chance i dont find it on amazon, i'll probably go to B&N and pick it up. but i dont think i've ran into a book that i haven't found on my kindle.

 

[boys noize]

Originally Posted by CWrite78

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by Gunner ThirtyTwo

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Originally Posted by LimitedRetroOG

iPad as an e-reader = NO, NO, NO.

LCD screen for long periods of reading are bad for your eyes. FACT.

When it comes to reading, e-ink >>> LCD.

Overblown. We've all used computers or played video games for extended periods of time. Like the LCD screen deterred any of us from staring at the laptop or television for extended periods. NT is testament to this (I swear some of you guys live on this website. I'm not making a great case for myself either with this thread

)

No hate intended, but this is probably one of the most ridiculous things that I've heard in a long time (and I read NT a lot so that's saying something).  I sit in front of a computer for a living and I read books on a Kindle for hours on end and the difference between eye irritation is night and day between the two.  Reading on a backlit screen is absolutely horrible for your eyes vs. reading on e-ink or regular paper.  You're probably still young like a majority of NTers , but believe me - down the road your eyesight will thank you for not reading novels on this thing.
"Overblown"

...  You saying the above means 2 things: 1) you play a lot of video games 2) You don't read many books.

I literally lol'd.

Touche. I didn't consider older heads.

For the record, I actually am a huge reader and I don't plan on ever quitting on actual paper books. I like that there is innovation in e-readers but I personally do prefer physical books. The day publishers stop printing books is going to be a sad day.

i quit on paper books because of one huge problem... space. i started running out of space on to put my books. i picked up a kindle and i have my library with me wherever i go and such a thin device. i can purchase my books anywhere without going out of my way looking for a bookstore. on the odd chance i dont find it on amazon, i'll probably go to B&N and pick it up. but i dont think i've ran into a book that i haven't found on my kindle.

I know the reasoning for an e-reader but there's something about actually owning the physical book that I really like. Sometimes it's the cover. I also like actually thumbing through a book and writing little notes in the margins (I know you can do this on e-readers but it's not the same...) It's kind of the same reason why I like buying vinyl records. It's nice having the actual, physical thing. I can definitely understand and see why e-readers would appeal though.

This is totally off-topic now

 

[vintage sole 737]

Originally Posted by Boys Noize

Wait, does Apple having the name recognition factor and the ability to attract more developers than other platforms piss some of you guys off? I'm kind of getting that vibe. It seems you guys think there's something wrong with that. Like marketing isn't a huge part of any product?

If people are drawn to the product, regardless of reasoning, developers will create for it. That's just how it works. I'm sorry your non-descript 3rd party tablet that will join the party too late isn't going to get the same love.

"if loving you is wrong, i don't wanna be right"

sounds like you're gonna propose to the ipad.  if i was to use your arguments, i could say "x pop star is better than x musician because they have a greater marketing budget."

all of the fields/professions that you say the ipad is supposedly gonna revolutionize require REASONING.  no professional who applies reasoning in their career is gonna go for this.  i can see kids with money to blow getting something like this, it's all novelty. 

if einstein was alive today, would he use the ipad?  probably not, but apple's marketing/advertising drones didn't hesitate to desecrate his image for a silly ad campaign.

typing this on a 2006 macbook, and love it, no hate for apple here. 

 

[cwrite78]

unless, you know, it's against us. right jobs?

 

[tacc4]

Boys Noize wrote:

Currently, all doctor's have to interact with their patients is through conversation and pages of reading material.
The problem is, this is just not factually correct. As I said, my doctor carries a laptop w/him to every room and he has diagrams of the human body and a wifi connection on the laptop. If I want to read up on something @home, he just emails me a wikipedia page or w/e. How will the iPad change this? What, he's going to pinch-to-zoom on a diagram of a colon? Sure, some developer will come up w/a rich 3-D model of the human body and I'm sure it'll be on the iPad, but, again, that's not software that can't be implemented on a laptop. None of these innovations are iPad-dependent. What is an iPad capable of that current phones/laptops/tablets are not? Flipping the screen upside down to make Alice bounce on her head? Oooooh laaaaawd, I gotsta have that.

Boys Noize wrote:

the iPad is... currently the most fleshed out e-reader on the market as far as developmental potential goes.

That doesn't make sense. Not to be a douche, but you can't flesh out potential because fleshed out potential would be a realization of potential. And even if you could flesh out potential, a week-old iPad is about as far from fleshed out as anything can be. Developmental potential? Sure, mostly as a result of the marketing and strong fanbase - which necessitates attention from all serious developers who wish to tap into a large segment of the consumer market.

Boys Noize wrote:

Just because you can already do certain things doesn't mean you can't always do it better. VCR's -> DVD's. Pencil's -> Pen's. Desktops -> Laptops. Cassette's -> iPods. The list goes on.

Sure, the iPad will do some things better. But I don't see how the iPad justifies the time, labor and money that will have to be poured into these industries to accommodate it. Every year there are millions of cars produced that do some things better than the car you ride/drive. And, yet, you're probably not buying a dozen new cars every year. And none of the innovations you mentioned revolutionized anything. DVDs improved picture quality and saved space, but the real game changer was downloading/streaming and, arguably, HD televisions. Pens didn't change anything, they just allowed people to write darker and more consistently; but they still had to write w/their hands. Laptops allowed people to move around, I'll grant you that. The two big innovations there were in battery life and wifi. IPods didn't change anything about the technology or usefulness of mp3 players; Apple just marketed their product better than anyone else and had a hardcore following to eat it up and increase awareness about the existence of mp3 players. Mp3 players, in general, didn't revolutionize portable music, they just made it easier to bring more songs w/you. The real game-changer was peer-to-peer file sharing, which allowed one to expand a music library exponentially with little effort and virtually no physical limitations. The touch screen on the iPod is probably the greatest Apple innovation b/c it allowed users to have a keyboard and mouse that took up no physical space and made portable video in a non-DVD format a reasonable form of entertainment. I'm not trying to shoot down your examples b/c its easy to do so, I'm doing it to prove my point about the iPad. The iPad is a small Mac/large iPhone and therefore is similar it its revolutionary potential to the examples you mentioned, none of which were truly revolutionary. The technology needed to duplicate the video from OP on a laptop/phone/mp3 player is readily available, the only thing lacking is the Alice in Wonderland software. Sure, its a cute video. But its not groundbreaking. Its just a great job by Apple of demonstrating their technology to an audience that is not familiar with computer technology.
Perfect example of what Apple is great at: My mom has an Android phone. I loaded it up w/music for her. She still took her phone and iPod to the gym. Why? Because "you play music on an iPod." Conceptually, she did not understand that the phone was capable of playing music exactly like her iPod does. Portable music does not exist in a lot of people's minds if you take away their iPods. How many people own mp3 players that aren't iPods? And most of them refer to their mp3 players as iPods, anyway. Apple takes technology that already exists, bundles it into a slick package, demonstrates its capability while a catchy song plays in the background and charges more than its competitors. Simple as that. And they're better than anyone else at doing it. And thats why I buy Apple shares, not Apple products.

P.S. "Pens, pencils and cassettes" are not possessive nouns. Keep your apostrophes to yourself.

P.P.S. This is what innovative and revolutionary products look like: http://www.youtube.com/user/jcl5m

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by CWrite78

late to what party? this niche market is just starting. and there have been windows tablets before the ipad.

since when it having multiple choices of tablets a bad thing? jesus, have we entered a world where having no choice in what hardware you use with what OS is considered okay? apple has truly suckered too many people. the only thing hurting android is the fragmentation of the OS, which google has stated it'll put a stop to it. but then again, apple has that same problem and people are okay with it.

stop calling this a revolutionary product. apple isn't revolutionized anything since the iphone, 3 years ago. and itunes.

The party = mass market

Sure windows made tablets, but who bought them.

a definition of revolution i found:

a dramatic or wide-reaching change in the way something works or is organized or in people's ideas about it

I never said having choice is bad, you're putting words into my mouth. The only reason I mentioned different sizes and shapes was because developers find it a pain to have to customize there applications to different sizes of device along with the fragmentation of the OS

I'm not even a fanboy. I'm not gonna buy it, but I can see how it can benefit others.

many on here still refuse to call the iPhone a revolutionary product.

 

[tacc4]

TheHealthInspector wrote:

convenience in an apple package, thats all it is - and some people want it

True.

Boys Noize wrote:

You guys seem to have a gripe with the iPad not being able to play Flash, or multi-task (which will definitely be remedied),

I wouldn't be so sure about that. A lot of the allure of Apple products lie in their simplicity and robustness. Once multi-tasking is in play, the potential for crashes goes up exponentially. And lets not pretend iPods and iPhones don't already crash, as is. To minimize this problem, Apple is restricting its iPods/iPhones from multi-tasking, the hardware is already in the products. So, the remedy is not so much a "remedy" as it is a choice to unleash the potential (both good and bad) of the iPad/iPhone/iPod.

F A Y B A N wrote:

---

Boys Noize wrote:

As a developer, wouldn't I benefit from creating for the most popular platform? ... So yes, if more developers are developing for the iPad, which is a device driven by it's applications anyway, then yes it will be a better product overall. 

This is the same argument that drove people away from PCs, remember that.  That perceived notion of superiority via popularity created a backlash which lead people to branch out and try different platforms, to only come and realize that other, sometimes better, options exist.  
I just feel there is a huge gap between the rhetoric and reality of how great this thing really is, and that's what is off putting IMO.

This fits perfectly w/CWrite78's post. And its true.

quik1987 wrote:

One of the reason why people love apple is because they are stupid. Apple makes things simple. Think about it. Even the name is simple. 

Just like Android phones, there will probably be multiple manufacturers, different shapes and sizes, and no unity in the development for the platform, or marketing for that matter. 

This is one of the key things working in Apple's favor. A lot of people think that there is only 1 Android phone, and if they think its on Verizon, they probably won't bother going to their T-Mobile retailer to ask about it. And this has HUGE implications, b/c Apple is going to get a lot of positive feedback, both financially and verbally, from the iPad and that will allow them to pour money into future incarnations. Where as the diffused nature of iPhone competitors makes it difficult for any one of them to sustain a fight for brand recognition and customer awareness. If people were aware of how much more robust and hacker-approved Macs were decades ago, many corporations would be running Apple software right now. 

The most amazing thing about Apple - to me - is that it stumbled upon a name for its mp3 player (iPod) that has allowed it to maintain the iP___ brand by easily adopting it to a phone and tablet. If they had chosen any of the other letters in the alphabet, they would lose that symmetry. w/e, its not that relevant. 

 

[cwrite78]

Originally Posted by quik1987

late to what party? this niche market is just starting. and there have been windows tablets before the ipad.

since when it having multiple choices of tablets a bad thing? jesus, have we entered a world where having no choice in what hardware you use with what OS is considered okay? apple has truly suckered too many people. the only thing hurting android is the fragmentation of the OS, which google has stated it'll put a stop to it. but then again, apple has that same problem and people are okay with it.

stop calling this a revolutionary product. apple isn't revolutionized anything since the iphone, 3 years ago. and itunes.

The party = mass market

Sure windows made tablets, but who bought them.

a definition of revolution i found:

a dramatic or wide-reaching change in the way something works or is organized or in people's ideas about it

I never said having choice is bad, you're putting words into my mouth. The only reason I mentioned different sizes and shapes was because developers find it a pain to have to customize there applications to different sizes of device along with the fragmentation of the OS

I'm not even a fanboy. I'm not gonna buy it, but I can see how it can benefit others.

many on here still refuse to call the iPhone a revolutionary product.

super sizing a current product doesn't make it revolutionary tho.

and FYI, there was an android tablet before the ipad. joojoo was announced before the ipad, and released same day as the ipad. but it didn't have the marketing or the coverage from blogs (who lately, will love anything and everything apple.. unbias reporting? lol)