Official Warriors Off Season Thread

[sohi 23]

Jamal Crawford is a %%!!$$$ loser.

He's been in the league how many years now?
He's never been on a team with a winning record.

It may not be his problem but he is just not a player I would want on my team

 

[TheGodFresco]

Originally Posted by acidicality

Man, I'm in the 2k8 offseason and I was scrambling trying to trade Baron (he didn't opt out)..and he wouldn't waive his stupid no-trade clause

For the 100th time, !$%# Baron Davis

He didn't opt out

I've redone the season at least 6 times,and all 6 times he opts out.

 

[paul is on tilt]

Originally Posted by acidicality

why are people doubting our skinny bigs?

because few have actually watched them extensively as much as we do...(speaking of Biedrins, for the most part)-i mean people were saying Biedrins is soft and stuff like that.
and also, if we even show any optimism about our players in other threads, we're "hyping them up"...

I know what you mean... The "NBA Offseason News and Rumors" thread

.

 

[mjdalegend]

people tend to jump to the conclusion that skinny big men = failed. Big mens' game has changed nowadays, you don't necessarily need to be an insidebruiser to find success in this league now (see KG).

 

[offbad]

Originally Posted by Paul Is On Tilt

Originally Posted by acidicality

why are people doubting our skinny bigs?

because few have actually watched them extensively as much as we do...(speaking of Biedrins, for the most part)-i mean people were saying Biedrins is soft and stuff like that.
and also, if we even show any optimism about our players in other threads, we're "hyping them up"...

I know what you mean... The "NBA Offseason News and Rumors" thread

.


yeah but it's cool 'cause once we've locked him down and he flourishes...

 

[japanair21]

I would for one LOVE to have Biedrins on the Mavericks, he's appreciated in my books,

As for 2k8, I can never get trades to go through unless I'm getting robbed.

And trading Kidd is damn near impossible, waives his no-trade clauseall-day.

 

[acidicality]

in 2k8 i traded Belinelli for Nick Young

, and our 2nd best player for Maxiell and Mohammed.

 

[dont be a menace]

yo is there anyway to play association mode with the updated roster?

 

[dl2352]

speaking of 2k8... is there a way to play association with the regular roster? michael jordan and charles barkley are ruining the game for me

 

[nothingtol0se]

Originally Posted by dont be a menace

yo is there anyway to play association mode with the updated roster?

i believe you can. While in the main menu, load the updated roster then start your season. Should work...

 

[andrew630]

i was reading page 1 of this thread....and franchise3 nailed it with baron opting out.

 

[paul is on tilt]

franchise3 wrote on the first page:

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I honestly think BDiddy is a goner.

He'll opt out, and some team is going to throw big $$$ his way.

 

[franchise3]

Lucky guess.

What I really wanted to see happen was Mullin talk long and hard to Pat Riley with the #2 pick. BD for #2 straight up.

Anyway, here's an article for you GSW fans. Probably feel just about the same way.

And Philly is interested in Biedrins. Mullin better not let these two guys go, Ellis and Biedrins.

[h1]Davis made the right call for all in choosing L.A.[/h1]

Bruce Jenkins

Saturday, July 5, 2008

(07-05) 04:00 PDT London -- By now, Baron Davis is five or six parties into his L.A. experience. For all we know, they were planned months ago. We're starting to get the feeling that Davis was bound for the Clippers all along, merely waiting out key dates on the calendar to make it official.

You can say the Warriors low-balled Davis, but that's irrelevant against the bigger picture. They were absolutely right in denying him a long-term contract extension. It's not as if he led them anywhere last season, his healthiest ever in the NBA. He's heading for the downside now, as the Clippers' fans will grimly discover, and if he didn't want to collect a massive salary in Oakland for one more year, it was over. Given Davis' affection for his hometown, it's the right call for both parties.

Only now, in the aftermath, do things get complicated. A few thoughts:

-- The really successful teams measure signature moments in terms of championships: a desperation shot by Derek Fisher or Robert Horry, a strange call on Dwyane Wade, injuries to indispensable players. Davis' history here amounts to one series, the colossal first-round upset of the Dallas Mavericks. By the time he got to Utah, he was just another exhausted, irritable Warrior missing badly from the outside. There was no title in store - not then, not last season, nor the one upcoming.

-- What Davis gave the Warriors is almost impossible to find, let alone replace. Essentially, they were (and are) a team with no shooters. They all think they're Gilbert Arenas, but they aren't fooling anyone. Davis was that rare in-your-face point guard, along the lines of Walt Frazier, Isiah Thomas or Tim Hardaway. He single-handedly changed the Warriors' culture through the force of his will.

Monta Ellis won't come close to replacing Davis at the point. He's one of the league's great talents, but he's not a leader and never will be. Some teams could settle for a classic, pass-first point guard along the lines of Kirk Hinrich or Luke Ridnour, but not the Warriors. They need a presence at that position. Which means that for all the talk about Corey Maggette, Josh Smith and whomever else, the Warriors' No. 1 priority is a legitimate point guard. Otherwise, we're back in the dark ages.

-- Davis must be dreaming to think he'll make a difference on the Clippers. They'll be an L.A. story for maybe a month or so next season, until full-blown Laker reality sets in. It's a second-rate outfit, quite possibly the worst organization in the history of professional sports. That doesn't change because Davis and Elton Brand worked out a clever little deal.

Davis is going to miss Don Nelson, too, in a big way. They clashed at the end of last season, but Nelson handed Davis the keys, the time-share and the bank account. Hell, it was Davis' team as much as Nelson's. He did absolutely anything he wanted, a brilliant call on Nellie's part. Now Davis gets the rigid Mike Dunleavy, known to call his set plays into eternity. Good luck with that.

-- If your anger still boils, give it some time, realize that Davis has had his mind on Los Angeles since the day he left UCLA, and then thank him for the past two seasons. He's one of a kind.

 

[andrew630]

Good read, that sums up exactly how I feel.

 

[paul is on tilt]

Davis is going to miss Don Nelson, too, in a big way. They clashed at the end of last season, but Nelson handed Davis the keys, the time-share and the bank account. Hell, it was Davis' team as much as Nelson's. He did absolutely anything he wanted, a brilliant call on Nellie's part. Now Davis gets the rigid Mike Dunleavy, known to call his set plays into eternity. Good luck with that.

Yeah, I just want to see how Dunleavy will handle Baron and how Baron will take Dunleavy's controlling ways. It might work out, but judging byBaron's past history with stern, controlling coaches, they'll clash. I also want to see how Dunleavy will handle Baron's questionable shotselection. But hey, I might be wrong and maybe Baron's matured... I don't know.

 

[acidicality]

Originally Posted by Paul Is On Tilt

Davis is going to miss Don Nelson, too, in a big way. They clashed at the end of last season, but Nelson handed Davis the keys, the time-share and the bank account. Hell, it was Davis' team as much as Nelson's. He did absolutely anything he wanted, a brilliant call on Nellie's part. Now Davis gets the rigid Mike Dunleavy, known to call his set plays into eternity. Good luck with that.

Yeah, I just want to see how Dunleavy will handle Baron and how Baron will take Dunleavy's controlling ways. It might work out, but judging by Baron's past history with stern, controlling coaches, they'll clash. I also want to see how Dunleavy will handle Baron's questionable shot selection. But hey, I might be wrong and maybe Baron's matured... I don't know.


Yeah, Baron's rep with clashing with coaches will be really tested next year. It'll be interesting; if they're winning though, winning shouldcure all possible "tension" there could be. If Brand stays in LAC I'd think that probably wouldn't happen but if he isn't there it couldbe trouble for the Clips. Only time will tell though.

Unrelated, I just played some ball this morning, and I absolutely hate dudes that call $@+#+##@ fouls during streetball. It was pissing me off to no end. BobDelaney ain't reffing the game...how you gonna call charging when I just totally spun by you? Then deny the foul when you completely got my arm reachingin? Get that weak $%*+ outta here.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[daprescription]

no blood, no foul.

 

[mjdalegend]

[h2]If it's not Brand, here are the Warriors' free-agent options now, next year and a few in 2010[/h2]
Posted by Tim Kawakami on July 5th, 2008 at 10:51 am | Categorized as NBA, Warriors
* Minor 12:48 p.m. update: Added some names to summer 2010 market. You'll see why.

For your Warriors' fan shopping information…

Your team has anywhere from $12M (if they don't renounce everybody) to $18M or more (if they renounce everybody) in available cap room. That's PURE cap room-they can spend all of it on free agents or trade into it or anything.

What do they do with all the money? Well, it's clear they're chasing Elton Brand with a lot of it. They could go hard after Corey Maggette with a lot of it.

They could shop for a lot of other people. They could pocket it for a year or two-to the howls of Warriors fans, I know-and see what the future brings.

With things a little quiet on the Brand/Maggette front for now, thought I'd toss out the lists of current and potential future free agents…
-The remaining summer of 2008 free agents (R = restricted; U = unrestricted), listed in order of my subjective value:
(U) PF Elton Brand, Clippers: Offer from Warriors, offer from Clippers, contact with Philadelphia. Likely to remain with Clippers if the money can be worked out.

(U) SF Corey Maggette, Clippers: Contacted by Warriors, Spurs and Celtics, among others. Warriors can pay him more than anybody.

(R) PF/C Josh Smith, Atlanta: Reports of contact with Warriors and 76ers. Hawks can match any offer, but there have been cash-flow problems in Atlanta.

(R) SF Andre Igoudala, Philadelphia: Possible Plan C (or D) for Warriors and seems potentially more gettable with 76ers involved with Josh Smith or Brand. But the Warriors already have wings-they need a power forward or a point guard.

(R) PF Carl Landry, Houston: A tough player who could fit nicely with the Warriors-who have a gaping need for toughness. But it's hard to see Houston declining to match whatever he gets.

(R) PF/C Emeka Okafor, Charlotte: Possible Plan D (or E) for Warriors, but it's likely that Charlotte would match anything within reason. And why would the Warriors spend anything close to the max for an injury-prone big man who doesn't shoot threes?

(R) C Nenad Krstic, New Jersey: A Nellie-style center. Only worth chasing if the Warriors sign-and-trade Andris Biedrins. No sign of that happening.

(R) F Luol Deng, Chicago: Interesting player the Bulls probably won't let leave.

(R) SF Josh Childress, Atlanta: If the Hawks get hit with a big Smith offer, they might not want to match a Childress offer sheet. Again: Don't see the Warriors spending big dollars on a wing. They need wings, but decent ones come cheap.

(R) SG Ben Gordon, Chicago: Only a Warriors option if they can't/won't re-sign Monta Ellis. Basically the same player, a few years older.

(U) PG Jannero Pargo, New Orleans: What I said about Gordon.

(R) SG J.R. Smith, Denver: Big-time scorer. Not worth a large contract, in my opinion.

(U) PF Bostjan Nachbar, New Jersey: When he plays, he produces. I can see Nelson liking him. Injury-prone and basically the same guy as 10 other players you can pick up for free.

(R) PF Ronny Turiaf and SG Sasha Vujacic, LA Lakers: They're not letting them get away.

(U) PGs Carlos Arroyo, Keyon Dooling, Orlando: Two names to remember if the Warriors run through a week or two more and still don't have a point guard. Neither is great. Both can make plays.

(U) SG Gordan Giricek, Phoenix: A tough-minded shooter. But he has bounced around a lot recently.

(R) SF Dorell Wright, Miami: A Mullin-favorite from years ago. Worth a look, not a big contract.

(U) SF James Posey, Boston: A few years too old for the Warriors, but a key contributor on two title teams.

(U) PG Anthony Carter, Denver: Solid player and can shoot the three. If I had to pick one player that I'd guess will end up a Warrior by August, it'd be Carter.

(R) F Ryan Gomes, Minnesota: Career back-up.

(R) SG Daniel Gibson, Cleveland: A Nellie-style back-up candidate at guard.

(U) PG Darrell Armstrong, New Jersey: Warriors almost signed him last summer. When he committed to NJ, Warriors grabbed Troy Hudson. Oops.

(R) PG Louis Williams, Philadelphia: Can score a little.

--An edited list of the potential 2009 free agents (not including most of the scrubs or potential non-starters) :

(U*) G Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers: Has an opt-out. Probably won't.

(U*) PF Carlos Boozer, Utah: Has an opt-out. Probably will. Connected to Miami in league talk, but you never know with him.

(U) F Shawn Marion, Miami: Didn't opt-out this summer. Still might be traded. He can guard anybody. It's feared that he'll be asking for $20M a year and won't understand if he only gets $14M.

(R) PG Deron Williams, Utah: Talent would put him near top of this list, but down-graded because I'm assuming Utah locks him to a max deal in a matter of days (just like New Orleans just did with Chris Paul).

(U) SF Ron Artest, Sacramento: Didn't opt-out this summer and regretted it immediately. Slightly erratic, you might have heard. Good guess is that the Lakers chase him hard.

(U) F Lamar Odom, LA Lakers: Could be trade bait this summer, though the Lakers deny it.

(R) C Andrew Bynum, LA Lakers: Big-time candidate for an extension this summer. The Lakers don't usually lose guys like this.

(U*) PG Steve Nash, Phoenix: Has an opt-out. Downgraded on this list because I really, really doubt he'd use the option unless things implode in Valley of the Sun.

(R) C Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee: Candidate for an extension this summer. If he doesn't get one, he'll be a big target for any center-less team. Which is almost everybody.

(R) PF Jason Maxiell, Detroit: Very, very useful player. Detroit usually keeps those kinds of guys.

(U) G Allen Iverson, Denver: Didn't opt-out this summer. Hard to see him landing any big money at his age and size. But somebody will want him.

(U) PG Andre Miller, Philadelphia: Could be trade bait this summer. Can still play.

(U*) G Jamal Crawford, NY Knicks: Has player option to terminate last two years. Unlikely to do it, though.

(U) PF Drew Gooden, Chicago: Not my favorite player. Sloppy, loses focus, wastes a lot of talent, doesn't ever really seem to help his team win, gets benched in a lot of fourth quarters. He'll get interest, though.

(U) PF Chris Wilcox, Seattle: Also not my favorite player for many of the same Gooden reasons.

(U) PG Mike Bibby, Atlanta: Hobbling last year, hard to determine his worth.

(R) G Mo Williams, Milwaukee: Can be a big-time scorer. Poor man's Ben Gordon/Monta Ellis.

(U) PG Stephon Marbury, NY Knicks: Most likely will be let loose by the Knicks this month, either bought out, traded or just released.

--And you might have heard some things about the potential free agent class of 2010…. … UPDATE: I ADDED SOME BIG NAMES FROM 2009 LIST because I just figured out that if they don't opt out in 2009, they automatically become 2010 F/A's. Of course they could opt-out and re-sign or whatever, but to compile a good list, had to add the names. WHAT A MONSTER CLASS this could be…:
(U*) SF LeBron James, Cleveland: Can opt-out. Nets or Knicks, King James?

(U*) SG Dwyane Wade, Miami: Can opt-out.

(U*) PF Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix: Can opt-out.

(U*) PF Chris Bosh, Toronto: Can opt-out.

(U*) F Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas: Has player option. Very unlikely to use.

(U) SG Joe Johnson, Atlanta: Excellent player.

(U) SF Manu Ginobili, San Antonio: Great, great player. Will be a bit old by this time and he's already breaking down.

(U*) Nash: If he doesn't opt-out in 2009, his contract will run out in 2010, when he'll be 36.

(U*) Boozer: If he doesn't opt-out in 2009. Interesting case: Does he want to be a UFA in 2009 or 2010?

(U*) Bryant: If he doesn't opt-out in 2009. Can you imagine a free agent class that includes LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Bosh, Nowitzki, Nash and Boozer?

(U) SG Tracy McGrady, Houston: I forgot about him. But I'm not sure he'll be healthy or worth much when he's 30.

(U) C Shaquille O'Neal, Phoenix: Just for the hell of it.

 

[gas break dip]

^ Interesting.... but I don't think the Warriors really want to wait another 2 seasons. Especially w/ the fact that Don Nelson may not return after thisone. Most of those guys on that list will be 'old' by then also...

I don't know.... I'm really getting tired of this Free Agent talk. I just want to know already who's gonna be on our squad, and who's not.Ya digg...

 

[mjdalegend]

POB news, dude's conditioning doesn't look good..

The Celtics continued their search for a big man by working out Patrick O'Bryant, Golden State's first-round pick (ninth overall) out of Bradley in 2006.

The 7-foot center showed decent range and solid footwork taking feeds in the post. But when he hit the low post against Wisconsin's Brian Butch and Detroit Mercy's Ryvon Covile, who had each been practicing since 9 in the morning, O'Bryant was tugging at his shorts not even 15 minutes into the drill, struggling to muster enough strength to defend either.

Celtics spokesman Jeff Twiss pointed out that O'Bryant arrived in Boston at 1 a.m., although he tired quickly against players who had been on the court all morning. O'Bryant took the court at approximately 11 a.m.

 

[santarosawarriorfan]

why wouldn't the warriors want to wait 2 more years?
Foyle, Jackson, and Harrington will be off the books (assuming that big gay al and shooter are still here) and they will have their up and coming talent inBiedrins, Wright, Ellis, Randolph(hopefully), and Bustinelli. How could they not want to offer a max contract to a guy like Kobe or Lebron? Now is the time tobe fiscally responsible...

 

[acidicality]

Amare or Bosh sounds very good here...

but hopefully, our young guys develop well enough so that we wouldn't have an urging need to go after someone like that.

can't see Kobe leaving LA, can't see LeBron going anywhere but NJ/NY...but all the other guys we should def. make a run at if we can't get anyonethis off-season.

 

[paul is on tilt]

I'd really like it if Deron went here. If Boozer opts out of his contract with Utah, could Deron want to leave too?

 

[enlightened thought]

wth? why didn't Utah sign deron to an extension?

 

[paul is offline]

I don't know, guess Utah is pretty stupid.